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  • GrizzlyetteAdams
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    Yes, you are right as rain about that. Mamas are paranoid and super defensive. If I saw any cubs about, I would have reacted very differently, but since I didn't see any cubs... Well, the crazy just popped out...but I was fully prepared to follow up with a well placed shot if the 'stand my ground' didn't work. (I am never unarmed.)

    But I did wonder if there were any cubs around that I didn't see...and if I had mistaken Mama for a male bear...

    A few weeks after that, while I was cooking supper, several bears were triggering the motion activated security lights around the outside of my house. My dog was going into full "I'm gonna chew up bears" mode. She was barking at different windows, then the front door. I had enough. I took my gumbo pot and a large spoon and took it to the back door (which is protected by a fenced yard, so not likely to have bears there). I flung open the door, beat on the pot with the spoon and proceeded to roar and yell at the top of my lungs.

    They must have thought the Rougarou was after them. The bears left and I didn't have any more bear problems for a couple of years. I suspect that they never came back but new-to-me bears eventually did. My area is a favorite dumping ground for Game & Fish officials to dump their trapped "nuisance" bears because I live in a wilderness area. I told them that I wish they would wait until hunting season to drop them off, otherwise bring them somewhere else because it is getting too crowded here.
    Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-23-2018, 01:34 AM.

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  • SonofLiberty
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    IMO, if you had done that while standing between mama and cubs I would have never gotten to know you. Don't do that; next time use a 12 ga or something.

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  • GrizzlyetteAdams
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    I have had more than a few encounters with bears over the years. One of the more memorable times involved a huge black bear that tried to get on the porch with me... My cabin was under construction at the time, and there were a number of 2x4s laying around.. I was so enraged at seeing this bear closing in on my little dog that I instinctively went into "mama tiger" mode. I grabbed a piece of lumber and started whacking at everything within reach as I advanced towards the bear screaming curses and bloody murder. The sound of a crazy woman yelling, and beating a 2x4 against the wooden porch posts and against the side of the house was impressive enough to convince the bear to leave.

    Question: I have often wondered since that incident if that bear was a female with cubs nearby, would the stand-your-ground method have worked? Or would that provoke an attack, which would lead to me having to shoot to survive? I know that mama bears can be quite unreasonable and usually view almost everything that moves near her cubs as a threat.
    Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-21-2018, 12:34 AM.

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  • Sourdough
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    Bump..........this is and interesting thread (if I must say so, myself). Anyone have thoughts, bear experiences....???

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  • Cedar
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    Originally posted by dalewick View Post

    Cedar, PLEASE do not do this to a grizzly at close distance. It may be the last thing you ever do. Good for black bears.

    Dale
    Like I said... LOL.. I went into the house to scrub floors or something. I had 6 black bears and a juvie Griz on my property. No one believed I had a Griz until I showed them pics and they commented on the hump on its back. I had an old neonatal bear den in my back 40, but it had not been used during the time I owned that property.

    I have given up entire lakes to a Grizzly before. Grizzlies are never in a good mood I hear. I did not want to try that theory out either way. Now I am back in Oregon, I am not likely to see bears or moose. I was always more wary of moose, which are highly unpredictable.

    Cedar

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  • dalewick
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    Originally posted by Cedar View Post
    When I worked for a free range zoo, and I was getting nervous with even ungulate animals getting too close, you throw your arms up in the air to look larger, and I yell at them in as deep of a voice as I can muster, and not a high pitched one. It usually works, although I have not tried it on a bear. I kept an eye out for them when I was on my homestead in Canada, and even if they were a few fields over, I would slowly and quietly go into the house and find something to clean or something instead.

    Cedar
    Cedar, PLEASE do not do this to a grizzly at close distance. It may be the last thing you ever do. Good for black bears.

    Dale

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  • Cedar
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    In British Columbia, we have had incidents of sows teaching their cubs to stalk people. They spiral in on the person.

    Canadian Data show reports of human-bear occurrences, which range from sightings to contacts, fluctuate in large part with the availability of food in the wild. Ill-timed frost and a poor berry season can make the difference. There were 7,016 incidents in 2006, when berries were plentiful, but 13,010 incidents in 2009, when significant natural food failures were observed.

    When I worked for a free range zoo, and I was getting nervous with even ungulate animals getting too close, you throw your arms up in the air to look larger, and I yell at them in as deep of a voice as I can muster, and not a high pitched one. It usually works, although I have not tried it on a bear. I kept an eye out for them when I was on my homestead in Canada, and even if they were a few fields over, I would slowly and quietly go into the house and find something to clean or something instead.

    Cedar

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  • surviveanything
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    When I was young, some people said when accidentally cross path with a bear, just play dead. I wasn't even sure if that's a joke or if it was a life saving advice. I guess they make some sense but not as much as your essay here. Thanks so much for sharing.

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  • Sourdough
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    Another "CLASSIC"........predator attack. They did good at first standing their ground, but then they tried to escape on their bikes, and one got "PULLED DOWN".........and fought. and was killed.

    http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Cou...483156751.html

    "........SEATTLE, WA (AP) - A mountain biker who survived a cougar attack that killed his friend east of Seattle is still hospitalized.

    Harborview Medical Center spokeswoman Susan Gregg said the 31-year-old man was in satisfactory condition Sunday.

    He and a 32-year-old man were riding on a trail in the Cascade Mountain foothills on Saturday when the mountain lion began following them.

    Authorities said they did everything right, getting off their bikes, making noise and trying to scare the animal off. One even smacked it with his bike after it charged.

    The cougar ran off, but it returned and attacked when the men got back on their bikes. State wildlife agents used dogs to track the cougar and found it in a tree. They shot and killed it............"


    This is classic Predator behavior, Chase.....Subdue.

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  • Morgan101
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    Sourdough: Your adventures are fascinating. Nothing is better than the voice of experience. Thank you for sharing. You have forgotten more about bear encounters than any of us will ever know. I hope we all will learn. I know I will.

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  • Sourdough
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    SMELT.......... I know this will sound strange......but I hope you stick around the forum. If you can swallow your pride, and stick around, I would like that. And I really think this forum is a good springboard for you, to move out of the entertainment part of survival studies and into the real blood and guts-boots in the field skilled outdoorsman-prepper-survivalist.

    Now here is the poopy news the whole survival "Movement" thing has been going in the wrong direction. It started right, but it got hi-jacked and corrupted. So much of what you have learned is going to get you killed in a catastrophic SHTF event. Whether you stay or leave, if your serious about survival studies........start watching the you-tube videos about WW-II. Not movies.....watch the actual footage. really come to grips with what a "Horrific" event is like. One hundred and sixty-five MILLION dead.

    HELL is coming....you can either hang-out in the entertaining forums, or become a serious student of survival.
    Last edited by Sourdough; 05-18-2018, 01:30 AM.

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  • Sourdough
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    Originally posted by dalewick View Post
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    Beautiful! Thanks! From an old fart that's lived, and wants more. The fun is in the journey!

    Dale

    PS - Sourdough, Do you still guide?
    No..........I am done with that.



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  • dalewick
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    Originally posted by Sourdough View Post

    Please don't take this personal............but your what I don't like about forums. Your all full of shit you learned on forums and you-tube, and have near zero first hand experience, at the shit you talk about.

    I am 71 plus years old, and have been living in wilderness Alaska for near 49 years. I have been a Alaska Big Game Hunting Guide for about 40 years. I have harvested or helped harvest roughly 300 bears, mostly Grizzly Bears and Alaska Coastal Brown Bears. I once spent six months in a Trapping cabin with no human contact, I have built by hand three homesteads in the Alaska Wilderness, and I am currently working on building the fourth homestead.

    I don't need some inexperienced want'a-be closet survivalist that got all his education from a book or from some facebook-twitter-survival boards forums to give me advise on things he only has "Wet'Dreams" about someday trying.

    Again please don't that this personal. Start talking about things you know because you have lived them.

    Here is a shot essay that I wrote a few years ago about people like you, and your damn internet knowledge.
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    I have LOVE/HATE feelings about the current fascination that exists about survival stuff. I never believed it would last this long in the fickle public interest.

    There is a saying that goes something like, "When the government is telling lies, it is dangerous to be telling the truth". There are two types of knowledge. Knowledge derived from internet or books or magazines, word of mouth, etc..

    The other type on knowledge is First hand personal experience, What I call "Boots in the Field" experience.

    When the masses believe what is taught them, by people who learned what they are stating as fact from the internet, and then they run quick like a bunny to a different forum, and state what they know as the truth or the way it is based on what they know and learned from the different survival forums and blogs......."In that environment it is pointless and dangerous to state what you know from first hand experience......with boots in the field.

    In this "Information Age" there is a tremendous amount of information that is totally believed, everyone knows is true , common knowledge.....that is wrong to varying degrees, from totally wrong, to just a small partly inaccurate.

    If there are 50 people in a discussion on a thread, stating what they think, and what they think is based on "ZERO" first hand or Boots in the field experience.......and someone enters that discussion who is old and has 50 or 60 years of first hand experience day in and day out living that subject of that thread. they will be called, "Troll" and shouted down.

    The masses rule.

    People without "First Hand" or Boots in the Field experience can not accept the truth, they want to believe what they have believed for a very long time. They will fight savagely to defend what they believe, even as they have zero first hand experience.

    It is fun to just read threads, and watch that most say, "Well, I THINK" what they are saying is they think something is a stated way, based on zero first hand experience. This is very different from someone stating, "Well, I KNOW" this or that, based on first hand experience.


    Beautiful! Thanks! From an old fart that's lived, and wants more. The fun is in the journey!

    Dale

    PS - Sourdough, Do you still guide?

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  • Sourdough
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    Originally posted by smelt
    doesn't sound like you learned to always either keep a gun within reach, or have a partner with a gun watching over you. Animals can detect whether or not you fear them, and when you're a lethal threat to them. Especially dogs in this regard, cause they're around people a lot and know what it means when a human has something (pretty much anything) in its hand. They've been hurt before by things that humans do!
    Please don't take this personal............but your what I don't like about forums. Your all full of shit you learned on forums and you-tube, and have near zero first hand experience, at the shit you talk about.

    I am 71 plus years old, and have been living in wilderness Alaska for near 49 years. I have been a Alaska Big Game Hunting Guide for about 40 years. I have harvested or helped harvest roughly 300 bears, mostly Grizzly Bears and Alaska Coastal Brown Bears. I once spent six months in a Trapping cabin with no human contact, I have built by hand three homesteads in the Alaska Wilderness, and I am currently working on building the fourth homestead.

    I don't need some inexperienced want'a-be closet survivalist that got all his education from a book or from some facebook-twitter-survival boards forums to give me advise on things he only has "Wet'Dreams" about someday trying.

    Again please don't that this personal. Start talking about things you know because you have lived them.

    Here is a shot essay that I wrote a few years ago about people like you, and your damn internet knowledge.
    __________________________________________________ _________________



    I have LOVE/HATE feelings about the current fascination that exists about survival stuff. I never believed it would last this long in the fickle public interest.

    There is a saying that goes something like, "When the government is telling lies, it is dangerous to be telling the truth". There are two types of knowledge. Knowledge derived from internet or books or magazines, word of mouth, etc..

    The other type on knowledge is First hand personal experience, What I call "Boots in the Field" experience.

    When the masses believe what is taught them, by people who learned what they are stating as fact from the internet, and then they run quick like a bunny to a different forum, and state what they know as the truth or the way it is based on what they know and learned from the different survival forums and blogs......."In that environment it is pointless and dangerous to state what you know from first hand experience......with boots in the field.

    In this "Information Age" there is a tremendous amount of information that is totally believed, everyone knows is true , common knowledge.....that is wrong to varying degrees, from totally wrong, to just a small partly inaccurate.

    If there are 50 people in a discussion on a thread, stating what they think, and what they think is based on "ZERO" first hand or Boots in the field experience.......and someone enters that discussion who is old and has 50 or 60 years of first hand experience day in and day out living that subject of that thread. they will be called, "Troll" and shouted down.

    The masses rule.

    People without "First Hand" or Boots in the Field experience can not accept the truth, they want to believe what they have believed for a very long time. They will fight savagely to defend what they believe, even as they have zero first hand experience.

    It is fun to just read threads, and watch that most say, "Well, I THINK" what they are saying is they think something is a stated way, based on zero first hand experience. This is very different from someone stating, "Well, I KNOW" this or that, based on first hand experience.

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  • dalewick
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    Originally posted by Sourdough View Post

    While I agree that the net, net, net result is accurate........I disagree at how and why that result happens. I have two to five Black bears that live in my yard.......or they spend a lot of time in my yard. So I have a lot of time studying them. I think they hang out here in my yard because the grizzlies tend to not hang out here. Especially during the day.

    I'll address this issue you bring up soon.
    I will agree that black bears are NO WHERE NEAR as dangerous as grizzlies and black bear /human interactions are far more common but all of the black bear attacks I have responded to were when the black bears were hunting. The folks that were aggressive with the bears and actually fought back when the bears didn't stop survived. The attacks that I know of where the individual "played dead" with hunting black bears actually got them killed.

    I'm like you and have black bears in my yard. There just something you learn to live with. I actually would miss them if they weren't here. Knowledge of how to live with predators and how to respond to them makes all of the difference.

    Dale

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