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  • #31
    The M39 is basically what happened to my CG63. The finns tossed everything but the action and bolt. Everything else was made by non serfs for free people. The Mosin was made using lines and arshin made by serfs and for maximum tolerances and still work. Yes there are examples that work well but usually they work ok.


    • #32

      Thanks for that link to Numrich. I have bookmarked it for future reference.

      Some time back, at the gun club, I had the opportunity to study a couple of fellows in the next lane shooting stock Mosen Nagant rifles in the 7.62 x 54mm calibration.

      I traversed my spotting scope over to their lane and target at the 100 yard range.

      Now these were regular iron sight rifles and to my surprise they shot quite well for iron sights ... I did not expect that kind of accuracy out of those Mosen rifles. I learned new respect for that olde bolt action. was not what you see from todays heavy barreled scoped target rifles...but very very respectable iron sight ....groups at 100 yards.

      I can easily understand how it was pure death in the hands of an experienced shooter like that Finnish fellow in "The Winter War."...and with iron sights too.

      Not an Ishmaelite.


      • #33
        One of the classics of the firearm's world was when the Israelis used WWII Nazi weapons to fight their first war of independance.
        In a strange twist of fate mass amounts of World War II surplus firearms from Nazi Germany were thus sent to help ensure the future of a Jewish state.

        The Nazi stamps were ground off and replaced with star of David. After watching NCIS on TV, David was pronounced as Dav-vid.

        Simo Hayha was his name. However, the Finns were so good at snow camouflage, the distances were really short. During WWII, the Finns allied with the Nazis; probably to avoid being sucked into the old ComBlock.

        Imagine "Rather than taking a couple of weeks, Finland held out for over 100 days. And while the resources of the battling forces were enormously lopsided, so were the results — only in the very opposite direction one would imagine: at the conflict’s end, 70,000 Finnish fighters had been killed or wounded, while 350,000 Soviets walked away maimed, or not at all."
        The Finns’ gritty, improbable resistance left a legacy of inspiration, buoying the spirit of freedom and offering a case study of what’s possible.

        Above site is a really good read.

        ""One Soviet general, looking at a map of the territory Russia had acquired on the Karelian Isthmus, is said to have remarked: "We have won just about enough ground to bury our dead" "

        As all the quotes come from William R. Trotter's, A Frozen Hell: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940
        It might be a book worth reading.


        • #34

 that a great article...both of the links.

          I have bookmarked them for future reference.

          Seems to me that historically ...many nations and people have been naive sufficient to think that a war or conflict would be over quickly.

          Our American Civil war and the first battle of Bull Run comes to mind....but there are other examples from history.

          Some people know so little history ...and I often believe leadership is want to capitalize on this ignorance controlling the herd. In that I also include our phony media. At times our media wholly disgust me....with the little history with which I am familiar.

          Oh...don't misunderstand me here...I am as patriotic as the next American. i am just not interested in fighting another foreign war nor sending our people out to fight another. Nor fighting to protect some businesses profits/investments...overseas.

          What I am becoming concerned about here in America is the Fentanyl invasion clearly taking place and I believe it is with the blessings of someone high up in our government.

          I am only recently become aware of the death toll from this Fentanyl business and was shocked to find it was that high.
          And they are worried about us with our guns.?? Wow!!

          Nonetheless...great articles....and thanks for posting them.

          Oh...and yes...interesting about the Israelis....
          My limited knowledge of their history is that they were desperate for any arms they could get and yes...they took in arms from the Nazis. The 98 Mauser is still, in my opinion, a fine rifle.

          Oh..and of interest to me ...something which occasionally surfaces in Israel... even that when doing construction and dismantling olde buildings or digging ...the Israelis find caches of arms/weapons hidden from the olde days.....whereiin the arms found are of olde design.....and the people who kept the secret of these locations/caches have passed on to their God.

          Occasionally one will find a news story detailing such happenings and I find this fascinating.

          Not an Ishmaelite.
          Last edited by orangetom1999; 01-22-2023, 12:27 PM.


          • #35
            The White Death used an SMG many times be cause the ranges were that short. Go there, hide, shoot raise confusion, leave, report in reload and away he goes.
            As opposed to this guy.


            • #36
              Today's definition of a confirmed kill requires someone other than the shooter confirm it. I have no doubt that with the skills of the Finns hiding in the snow waiting to ambush Russians would be easy. The confirmation has me struggling.
              As the Finns were desperate for arms and ammunition, the answer could easily be the Russians left their dead to freeze and the Finns foraged the bodies.

              I saw a TV show about a Finnish distiller upped the percentage of alcohol and the Finns used it to fill Molotov cocktails. There was a tower near the distillery with AA guns mounted on top to protect it. It was pretty interesting.

              As there was a huge amount of history that was so big, it was lost.

              Here's a few great examples

              “The only way for raiders to reach the Bruneval radar installation, they determined, was from the air using the newly formed British 1st Parachute Brigade.” By Martin Roy Hill BY THE END of 1941, RAF...

              Parachutes and radar are long-established elements of war. But they both came into their own with Operation Biting. This British raid from the skies took

              When we first started staying here on weekends; we lacked a TV. As a result, we both subscribed to magazines. one of mine was WWII History and I still get it.


              • #37
                You're correct on verified kills, my spotter for me, me for him. Sometimes we could verify by walking the ground other times, we'd simply watch for anyone getting away and hand them off to air or arty.


                • #38
                  Here, confirmed was required to be confirmed by another unit. If the kill wasn't confirmed by others, it was a probable. There was even KBA or Kill By Aircraft category.
                  As I knew the era's requirements. Thanks to you, LOL! Now, I'm confused how the Vietnam era's recorded confirmed kills were established.
                  I did some searching and "Hathcock is credited with 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam, although he himself put the number somewhere between 300 and 400."

                  BTW, the top sniper of the Vietnam War was Adelbert Waldron with 109. What is really odd is his parent's names were Adeline Baxter Waldron and Adelbert F. Waldron.
                  Shooting from a boat on the Mekong River, Waldron made a 900 meter kill with one shot.