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  • When does SHTF start?

    I've been reading an article on this by Selco-he of the Balkans war.
    and generally speaking its sort of when violence becomes the norm.
    well i'm kind of wondering, we have this situation in Britain at the moment where, in London, there have been over 70 stabbings this year so far and its only July, most of them fatal, okay a lot of them are gang related, gang on gang, but we have others going "2 up" on mopeds in the capital robbing people of mobile phones and other stuff.
    the Police and Politicians- namely the mayor of London one Sidiq Khan- seem to be powerless to do anything about it and it just continues.
    now my question is, does anyone here reckon this constitutes the START of shtf????
    there have been a couple of stabbings in Liverpool but most seem to be contained within the capital- thankfully I am several hundreds of miles away from London and even further from the rest of the big cities in our country, so maybe this is just a London problem...……..at least for the moment!!
    Last edited by grumpygremlin; 07-07-2018, 06:16 AM.

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    SHTF is when you call emergency services and they can't show up.

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    • #3
      if you mean the Police, hell, they don't show up NOW.
      if you report a crime, unless the perpetrator is still on the premises, all they do is give you a crime number for your insurance company.
      they might turn up two days later, if your lucky, but most of the time they don't.
      Last edited by grumpygremlin; 07-07-2018, 12:59 PM.

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      • #4
        I don't understand how a country can have murder, if "Evil Assault Rifles" are illegal.

        It must be "FAKE NEWS" this talk about knives and stabbing murders.
        One day you eat the chicken.....next day the left-over chicken.....next five days you eat chicken feathers, head and feet.

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        • #5
          Not sure if it's SHTF but think it's chickens coming home to roost for the liberal socialist policies you guys have had for years. I'd read about some of these stabbings a while back and that article led the reader to believe many of the attacks were being perpetrated by muslim immigrants. Any truth to that? Are they the 'gang' members?

          These attacks are just one of the reasons why we fight so hard here to keep our firearms and right to carry and conceal for self protection. I'm sorry but if person comes up and pulls a knife on me, their family will be identifying them at the morgue.

          Now what I would say is if your law enforcement doesn't get some kind of handle on this and it keeps escalating to the point that people are living in fear to go out on the streets, I think it'll get ugly but I don't think SHTF. Unless you live in the affected city and neighborhood. And then if you do people will live in fear. Now I could see people getting fed up with that situation and forming up vigilante groups to go out and battle the thugs. Now that could blow up should say the police try to stop that and effectively appear to be on the thugs side and protecting them. During the height of the bombings by the IRA how were things handled? were people scared to go the street or buses?
          I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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          • #6
            When the power and water goes out (Not when you don't pay your bill! lol)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sourdough View Post
              I don't understand how a country can have murder, if "Evil Assault Rifles" are illegal.

              It must be "FAKE NEWS" this talk about knives and stabbing murders.
              nothing at all fake about it my friend, these stabbings and killings are all too real for the people that it happens to.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
                When the power and water goes out (Not when you don't pay your bill! lol)
                yes that's what I've always thought too, so these London killings are just "a little local difficulty"!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grumpygremlin View Post

                  nothing at all fake about it my friend, these stabbings and killings are all too real for the people that it happens to.
                  Yes.........Of that I am sure. My comment was a "dig" at the a-holes that think if all firearms are turned over to the government........then at that point there will never be another murder.
                  One day you eat the chicken.....next day the left-over chicken.....next five days you eat chicken feathers, head and feet.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sourdough View Post

                    Yes.........Of that I am sure. My comment was a "dig" at the a-holes that think if all firearms are turned over to the government........then at that point there will never be another murder.
                    oh I am sure there are plenty of illegal firearms out there.

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                    • #11
                      Grumpygremlin, my question would be do the citizens of London consider it a SHTF event or just a change how they have to live? Historically speaking societies that have surrendered there abilities to defend themselves to there governments have been preyed upon by the wolves of there societies and then by there defenders. Sounds like Londoners are dealing with there wolves now, without there defenders. How much do you trust your government?

                      Just asking?

                      Dale
                      Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dalewick View Post
                        Sounds like Londoners are dealing with there wolves now, without there defenders. How much do you trust your government?

                        Just asking?

                        Dale
                        I'll ask you and anyone else the same question. How much do you trust your government ???
                        One day you eat the chicken.....next day the left-over chicken.....next five days you eat chicken feathers, head and feet.

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                        • #13
                          i don't trust the government any more,then i trust serial thief not to steal if given the chance.
                          be prepared,be worried,be careful..and watch your 6

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sourdough View Post

                            I'll ask you and anyone else the same question. How much do you trust your government ???
                            HA-HA-HA-HA-HA Sourdough, I worked for 5 different federal agencies and served 2 tours in the Army as an 11B mostly in light infantry and special ops for just over 30 years total. I trusted my team members with my life. I trust my government with NOTHING!
                            Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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                            • #15
                              I don't trust the government(of any party) they are professional politicians and its their job to lie.
                              we are currently dealing with the negotiations for Brexit and the deal the British government wants to do is not what the majority of the population voted for, the EU will dismiss it out of hand anyway.

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