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    Now why would anyone want to talk about depression on a survival forum? One reason is that between 33 and 35 million Americans deal with depression. Most likely there is someone on this forum that deals with it personally or has someone in their immediate family that is depressed. If that is the case, then you have probably asked yourself how this is going to affect things when TSHTF. Another reason is that we are supposed to contribute to this forum about the things we know about because it may help someone else. I have dealt with depression all my life. I am not a doctor and will not be speaking as such. I will be speaking from practical experience about the things that I have learned and hopefully may help someone else.
    There are several types and many levels of depression. Some depressions are situational and will pass when the situation changes. Seasonal Affective Disorder affects a lot of people during this time of the year (myself included) due to a lack of sunlight and more gray cloudy days. Bright lighting and a mild anti-depressant usually helps for this. My particular depression is genetic and has to do with the brain not producing enough of a chemical that gives people the ability to cope with everyday life. I am not mentally ill, disturbed, psychotic or anything else that carries such negative conatations. These are the terms that keep people from getting help.
    If you are dealing with depression and are not seeking help you should because it usually does not go away on it's own. The major problem with depression and overcoming it is that it attacks the very thing that you use to solve problems... your mind and thus your motivation. It's like taking the engine out of a car and then trying to drive the same car to the auto parts store to buy parts to rebuild the engine. To the one that is depressed it is a bottomless pit. It is a cage with bars that only they can see. We look at normal folks and we wonder how you do your daily task and cope with daily problem which to us seem massive. If you are getting help you already know that you have good days and bad days, even with medication. On the good days you should work your butt off to better understand and get the upper hand on your disease. You can do this through counseling, journaling, exercises, etc. On the bad days you dig your heels in, tie a knot in your rope and just try to maintain your ground. Dealing with depression is a "one day at a time" process. On some days it is a one hour at the time and even moments at a time. I highly recommend "to do" list and as much structure in your day as possible, this will help minimize frustration. In a survival situation you should have two plans: one, have as much medication as possible in stock; two, have a plan for coming off your medication by slowly decreasing your dossage should supplies run out and you are unable to get more. Do not come off your medication abbrutly. Also, you must start making plans for an alternative to your medication. For example; Some people respond well to the herb St. John's Wart, some to DHEA, or SAM-e. I'm not reccomending any of these things, you will have to make these decisions yourself. Do your research now, don't wait till the last minute. You must remember that you are not alone but literally millions struggle with you.
    If you are not depressed but live with someone that is, I know how tough this is on you. Your hands are basically tied and you have done all that you know to do and you are frustrated beyond belief. It does no good to tell your depressed loved one to "snap out of it" because if they could have, they already would have. No one wants to be depressed or enjoys it. Patience has to be your mantra. You have to learn to listen and if the depression has been going on a long time you should consider a support group. You should also try to educate yourself as much as possible, this will help. I won't get into a religious discussion here but faith has helped me more than anything. I hope this post will be a help to someone. I will be glad to help in anyway that I can if anyone has questions. Thanks for your time.
    Beebopcop :)
    Last edited by beebopcop; 12-23-2008, 04:03 PM. Reason: spelling
    The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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    excellent topic, beebop. thanks for your candor, and the great information.

    I suffer from SAD also, and it sucks big time. Let's hope the SHTF in nice, sunny summer. :p

    but seriously, it can be a debilitating condition, as any medical condition, and can hamper your chances of survival.


    I've also suffered Post Partum depression, I'm still surprised as hell that my babies and I lived through that (and I will not go into details, but guys-- please be aware this is a very serious condition also. A woman going through that needs help). Faith got me through that one.

    At my last physical, my doctor was shocked I was not on medication for depression. I've had a tough few years (my marriage on the rocks, my son being diagnosed with a brain tumor, and all the resulting fun from that) and it takes a physical toll on one's body. Bad enough in regular times, but in a SHTF situation?

    very good post, and beebopcop, I hope you are getting through your days okay.
    "Be Excellent to Each Other"

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    • #3
      Dammit, man. I wish I could empathiize......well, no, I really don't but I do sympathize. Got a touch of PTSD (combat fatigue), but can honestly say that I've never truly experienced depression. Sadness, grief....yeah, but I think you're talking about a whole other level here. Interesting stuff.

      Don't let The Man get you down!

      Good Hunting.
      "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

      "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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      • #4
        I can't hardly stand to even see the word "depression" anymore.
        My ex-mil suffered from deep depression, and her 3 oldest daughters started having problems with it in their early 30's. I married the 4th, youngest, and she constantly made me promise to take her to get help if she ever started showing the signs.
        Problem was...the signs hit her with one huge blow...and the mere suggestion that she get help backfired on me. Soon our family was split for good, and she didn't speak to one of her sisters for years. It was a very, very frustrating time. I went everywhere looking for help/advice...but there weren't a lot of resources back then (16 years ago).

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        • #5
          I have something called ADHD. Now, when I was a kid this was called being a hyperactive butthead. Most kids go through that stage. I never outgrew it. Symptoms? Ever been around a person who does Meth? Hyper, does everything at Alvin and the Chipmunk speeds, extremly driven and easily distracted. However, I am proud to say that I have never, and will never take meds for this. I can say that I am glad I was given this speedy condition. I got through college with good grades, and now work 80-100 hours a week without fatigue. And....the best part, I can stay up all night making smart alleck comments about Big Saws posts, and posting lots of pictures.

          Now, the idiot doctors kept telling me that I would never be able to do anything in life unless they dope me up with anphetamines. Yes, people with ADHD take amphetamines to control the hyper activity symptoms.

          About 2 years ago I had the opportunity to go back to that Dr. and he looked at my chart and started quizzing me. Asking if I wanted some new drug for ADHD called Stratera. I asked him why I would want that. His answer? It would help me function better in life.

          I asked him what more I needed. I make a 6 digit salary, have 2 college degrees and am debt free, and have a high IQ.

          His answer? Things would be easier for me. My retort? You are an idiot dope dealer with stock in Merck. This is another thing I like about ADHD. It makes you very blunt and to the point.

          (As if anyone here could not tell that I am hyper...ha)


          So, my answer to folks that have the same diagnosis? Use the darn advantages that this gives you. Heck, most people need 8 hours of sleep. I only need 4. That is 4 extra hours to do stuff. You have this hyper thing that makes you have to be doing something all the time. I say do it. Make a knife, bake bread, read lots of stuff.

          I would not give this up for any amount of money. Society trying to tell people like me that I need dope to put myself in the "normal" category is the wrong thing to do. We are taking the creative element out of society and dumbing down American. Think about guys like Kramer on Mad Money. Think he falls into this category? Yeah. Think about the great scientists like Einstein and Oppenheimer. Neither of them slept more the 4 hours a night. Now days we would dope em up, and dumb em down. The Einstein could flip bugers at the local greasey spoon, and Oppenheimer could run a cash register at the local Kwicky Mart.

          Just my opinion (in too many words)

          RS

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          • #6
            I'm kinda the same way RS.
            I thrive on being busy, and that can be anything from sitting in a chair doing research, to total manual labor. Although at my age, my body is starting to allow fatigue.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by snal View Post
              I'm kinda the same way RS.
              I thrive on being busy, and that can be anything from sitting in a chair doing research, to total manual labor. Although at my age, my body is starting to allow fatigue.

              I should be starting to slow down, but am not. Wonder why.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
                I have something called ADHD. Now, when I was a kid this was called being a hyperactive butthead. Most kids go through that stage. I never outgrew it. Symptoms? Ever been around a person who does Meth? Hyper, does everything at Alvin and the Chipmunk speeds, extremly driven and easily distracted. However, I am proud to say that I have never, and will never take meds for this. I can say that I am glad I was given this speedy condition. I got through college with good grades, and now work 80-100 hours a week without fatigue. And....the best part, I can stay up all night making smart alleck comments about Big Saws posts, and posting lots of pictures.

                Now, the idiot doctors kept telling me that I would never be able to do anything in life unless they dope me up with anphetamines. Yes, people with ADHD take amphetamines to control the hyper activity symptoms.

                About 2 years ago I had the opportunity to go back to that Dr. and he looked at my chart and started quizzing me. Asking if I wanted some new drug for ADHD called Stratera. I asked him why I would want that. His answer? It would help me function better in life.

                I asked him what more I needed. I make a 6 digit salary, have 2 college degrees and am debt free, and have a high IQ.

                His answer? Things would be easier for me. My retort? You are an idiot dope dealer with stock in Merck. This is another thing I like about ADHD. It makes you very blunt and to the point.

                (As if anyone here could not tell that I am hyper...ha)


                So, my answer to folks that have the same diagnosis? Use the darn advantages that this gives you. Heck, most people need 8 hours of sleep. I only need 4. That is 4 extra hours to do stuff. You have this hyper thing that makes you have to be doing something all the time. I say do it. Make a knife, bake bread, read lots of stuff.

                I would not give this up for any amount of money. Society trying to tell people like me that I need dope to put myself in the "normal" category is the wrong thing to do. We are taking the creative element out of society and dumbing down American. Think about guys like Kramer on Mad Money. Think he falls into this category? Yeah. Think about the great scientists like Einstein and Oppenheimer. Neither of them slept more the 4 hours a night. Now days we would dope em up, and dumb em down. The Einstein could flip bugers at the local greasey spoon, and Oppenheimer could run a cash register at the local Kwicky Mart.

                Just my opinion (in too many words)

                RS
                Rusty, sounds like your ADHD is a blessing in disguise, I'd trade ya anyday. I want everyone to understand that this post was not for sympathy, it's just a fact of life for me and many others and things that we may have to deal with in a different world than what we live in now. My wife suffers from PTSD because of an assault in her home in 2004. These things are real and don't go away WTSHTF. I just believe that this should be a part of your prep along with everything else.
                bbc
                The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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