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    I was just wondering if anyone had thought about stuff that you could trade/barter with after the SHTF. I have got a small handfull of gold boullion coins and a lot of old coins that are pure silver that I was thinking might come in handy. Hopefully precious metals will still be precious. Just wanted to see what everyone else thought.
    " If you want to live, treat me good " Peter Tosh

  • #2
    I don't have gold. But do have a little silver. My barter list of things is:

    Food
    Services/skills
    Blade smithing
    medical supplies
    Hygiene products

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    • #3
      You don't want to barter your gold and silver, that's going to be your currency.

      I have for barter:

      Pepper
      Salt
      Seeds
      Clothing
      Sewing skills

      Under no circumstances (except possibly to a doctor for medical services) would we barter guns or ammo.
      "If Howdy Doody runs against him, I'm voting for the puppet." - SkyOwl's Wife, 2012

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      • #4
        My thoughts and opinions on barter and trade

        Never show more than necessary for a given trade. Never let on like you have more.
        Only trade alcohol, weapons, and ammunition to those you know will not be a problem for you later.
        Try to barter skills and knowledge rather than goods. They don’t run out.
        Try to barter the information in books. Don’t let the books leave your control.
        Try to barter the use of tools and equipment rather than trading them away.
        Try to make trades in neutral areas or at a designated barter/trade meeting. Make sure you aren’t followed back home.
        Not all the items/skills listed will be of much value early into the event. It could be three to five years or more for some of the items to become valuable.
        Try to have most of your equipment and several months of consumables before you stockpile trade goods, including Precious Metals.
        When it comes to PMs, unless you are wealthy, start slow. A few silver dimes & quarters at a time. When you feel it is time to get gold coins, stay with the small denominations. And remember that there will be some people that won’t trust or want them.

        Some of what I'm acquiring for barter (No, I don’t have all of these items. Yet.)

        Scales to get agreed upon weights of items
        commercial scale (±500#)
        commercial scale (±100#)
        commercial scale (±10#)
        commercial scale (±16oz)

        small containers for measured out items (spices, meds, etc.)(really small zip-locks)

        1.0 oz gold coins
        0.1 oz gold coins
        40 count rolls pre-1965 silver quarters
        50 count rolls pre-1965 silver dimes
        blank barter slips (pre-printed slips to record barter transaction – who, what, when, how much, etc.)

        A large library of useful books (remember, trade the information, not the book)

        200ml bottles 190 proof Everclear
        smokeless tobacco
        2 oz boxes tobacco
        booklets cigarette papers
        smoking pipes
        small boxes matches
        butane lighter fuel
        Zippo lighter fuel
        lighter flints
        lighter wicks
        disposable lighters
        straight razors w/strop, soap, & cup
        shaving soap
        Q-tips

        playing cards
        dice

        candle/oil lamp wick
        Coleman lantern mantles
        Crank flashlights

        Canned green coffee beans (with a roaster and grinder to use, not trade away)
        2 oz jars instant coffee
        16 count boxes teabags
        2 oz jars bouillon cubes
        tubs add-water-only drink mix

        1 pound boxes sugar
        various spices
        small containers of cooking oil
        2 oz boxes salt
        2 oz cans pepper
        5 oz cans milk
        4 oz cans cocoa
        2 oz bars chocolate candy
        8 oz bags hard candy (individually wrapped)

        4 oz cans Vienna sausage/potted meat
        12 oz cans roast beef
        7 oz cans Spam (or 12oz)(or Treet)
        6 oz cans tuna
        10 oz cans soup (heavy on the meat types)

        16 oz bags rice
        16 oz bags beans/lentils

        aspirin pain killer
        acetaminophen pain killer
        multi-vitamin
        OTC reading glasses
        OTC UVA/UVB resistant sunglasses
        Cheap wide-brimmed straw hats

        small boxes tampons/sanitary napkins
        reusable sanitary napkins

        reusable cotton diapers
        diaper pins
        plastic/poly/nylon/rubber diaper cover pants

        clothes pins

        wooden pencils/ink pens
        small note books
        legal pads

        50 count bottles water purification tablets

        6”-12” candles
        boxes strike anywhere kitchen matches

        rolls toilet paper
        bars soap (Ivory, Lava, Fels Naptha laundry soap)
        hair combs/brushes
        disposable razors
        toothbrushes
        boxes baking soda
        shoe and boot laces

        packets safety pins
        packets of sewing needles
        spools of thread

        mousetraps
        rat traps
        fly swatters

        jersey gloves
        cotton/leather work gloves
        insulated gloves
        socks

        tubes silicone sealant
        tubes Shoe Goo/Goop
        tubes JB Weld
        duct tape
        mechanic’s wire
        electrical tape
        friction tape
        rubber tape
        sheet plastic
        divided buckets with a variety of nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers
        sealed cans of welding rods (6011 and/or 7018 1/8”)
        variety of brazing rods
        cans of brazing flux

        regular canning lids
        wide mouth canning lids
        Tattler reusable canning lids
        Tattler reusable canning lid rubber rings
        P-38/P-51 can openers

        6-hour cans ECOFuelXB
        1-lb propane cylinders
        10-lb bags charcoal briquettes

        solar 12-volt battery chargers
        solar AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt battery charger
        rechargeable batteries AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt


        #10 cans heirloom seeds
        Coffee plant seed
        Tobacco plant seed
        Tea plant seed
        Poppy plant seed

        Biodiesel production chemicals
        Soap making chemicals

        500-round bricks .22 LR RF cartridges
        5-round boxes .410/20 GA shells
        single units M6 Scout/Savage 24F/Remington SPR-94 O/U .22 RF/.410 or 20 gauge combos


        Here are some examples of Tradesman’s Tools that could be stockpiled and either used and the product/service bartered, or their USE bartered out. One wouldn’t barter away the tools that bring in the food. (Again, I don’t have all the items or skills.)
        ±500# scale
        ±100# scale
        ±10# scale
        ±16oz scale

        Tailor/Seamstress tools
        Sewing machine
        Serger
        Sewing basket (needles, thimbles, thread, measuring tape, seam ripper, scissors, shears, marking chalk, straight edge, pins, neck magnifying glass, etc.)
        bolts of cloth, patterns, spare needles, pins, chalk, thread, buttons, zippers, snaps, etc)
        Treadle type sewing machine (Janome 712T)
        weaving looms
        >1,000 watt generator


        Food processing tools
        Grain grinders, solar dehydrators, butchering tools, manual meat slicer, manual meat grinder, sausage stuffer, stuffing tubes, jerky shooter, meat smoker, water purifier


        barbers tools
        scissors, combs, hair brushes, dusting brush, broom, dust pan, chair, neck apron, razor, shaving cup, shaving soap, towels

        ammunition re-loader’s tools
        Dillion progressive tool w/primary caliber dies
        RCBS press with common caliber dies
        Bullet casting equipment
        lead
        black powder making tools & screens

        laundry tools
        Staber washing machine
        laundry soap
        bleach
        clothes lines w/poles, stakes & clothes pins
        water heater (kettle w/tripod)
        water tank
        12v pump & battery
        drain line
        James washer w/wringer
        2+ washtubs
        >1,000 watt generator

        entertainment tools
        band instruments
        projection TV
        TV projector
        Lap-top computer
        DVD disk player
        VHS tape player
        Chairs
        Karaoke machine w/cd-g’s
        Lighting system
        Sound system
        >1,500 watt generator
        Battery bank, solar panels, and inverter
        protective bullet resistant face for TV’s if used
        Classic books for storyteller to read

        home canning equipment & supplies
        firewood cutting tools
        knife/edged tool sharpening tools
        printer’s/newspaper publisher’s tools
        butcher/meat cutter’s tools
        meat processors tools (sausage, etc.)
        tanner’s tools
        milk processors tools (cheese, etc.)
        baker’s tools & supplies
        bath house/shower room tools
        candle maker’s tools & supplies
        gardener’s tools
        mechanic’s tools
        machinist’s tools - Smithy Granite 1340 Industrial Max metalworking all-in-one machine
        woodworker’s tools – Smithy Supershop 220 woodworking all-in-one machine
        blacksmith’s tools - Oxygen accumulator, acetylene generator
        plumber’s tools
        lumber making tools - portable sawmill
        electrician’s tools
        carpenter’s tools
        roofer’s tools
        stonemason’s tools
        primitive building tools
        cobbler/shoe maker’s tools
        soap maker’s tools
        brewer/wine maker’s tools
        distillery tools
        miller’s tools
        spinner & weaver’s tools (looms)
        teaching tools and supplies K-12
        smelter/foundry/metal worker’s tools
        sheep sheering tools
        papermaking tools
        rope, cordage, and net making tools
        millwright’s tools
        farm tools (prepare, sow, cultivate, harvest)
        biodiesel equipment & supplies
        wood gas generator equipment & supplies
        charcoal making tools
        black powder making tools
        reference/do-it-yourself library (books/magazines/CD-ROMs/DVDs)(never let the media out of your control)


        Here are the skill sets I think most likely to be needed. (I only have a few of them myself)

        Alternative energy specialist
        Alternative HVAC specialist
        Ammunition re-loader
        Appliance repairman
        Assayer
        Baker
        Banker
        Barber
        Basket maker
        Bathhouse/shower room operator
        Beekeeper
        Bicycle Repairman
        Biodiesel maker
        Blackpowder maker
        Blacksmith
        Botanist
        Brew master
        Brick maker
        Bullet caster
        Butcher/meat processor
        Candle maker
        Carpenter
        Cartridge maker
        Cartwright
        Chandler
        Charcoal burner
        Cheese maker
        Chemist
        Chimney sweep
        Cobbler/shoe maker
        Coffin maker
        Cook
        Cooper (barrel maker)
        Coppersmith
        Dentist
        Distiller, drinking alcohol
        Distiller, fuel alcohol
        Doctor
        Dog trainer
        Electrician
        Electronics tech
        EMT/Paramedic
        Experienced barterer/flea market operator
        Farmer
        Farm hand
        Farrier
        Firefighter
        Firewood purveyor
        Fisherman
        Food canner/processor
        Furniture maker
        Gardener
        Gatherer (wild plants, useful rocks and minerals)
        Glass maker
        Goatherd
        Goldsmith/silversmith
        Gravedigger
        Gunpowder maker
        Gunsmith/gun maker
        Handyman
        Harvester/picker
        Heavy equipment operator
        Herbalist/mineralist
        Horse trainer/wrangler
        Hunter/trapper
        Ice purveyor/harvester/maker
        Knife maker
        Knife sharpener
        Knitter/crocheter
        Laundress/laundry room operator
        Leather worker
        Librarian
        Logger/forester/sawyer
        Lumber maker
        Machinist
        Mechanic
        Metal worker
        Metallurgist
        Midwife
        Milk maid
        Milk processor
        Miller
        Millwright
        Miner
        Mulcher/composter/manure collector
        Net maker
        Nurse
        Optician (eyeglass maker)
        Orchardman/arborist
        Paper maker
        Peace Officer
        Pedi-cab driver
        Pest control specialist
        Pharmacist
        Plumber
        Postman
        Pottery maker
        Primitive building specialist
        Printer/newspaperman
        Psychologist/Psychiatrist
        Quilter/Quilt maker
        Radio Operator
        Rancher
        Ranch hand
        Repairman
        Roofer
        Rope/cordage maker
        Sail maker
        Sailor (Boatswain)
        Salt maker
        Salvage specialist
        Security guard
        Shake/shingle maker
        Sheep sheerer
        Shepherd
        Shipwright/boat builder
        Shoemaker
        Skill At Arms instructor
        Small engine mechanic
        Smelter/foundryman
        Soap maker
        Soldier
        Spice purveyor
        Spinner/Weaver
        Stonemason/brick layer
        Sugar maker
        Surveyor
        Tailor/seamstress
        Tanner
        Teacher
        Thatcher
        Tinker
        Tire repairman
        Tool & die maker
        Trade maker
        Trader/Wagoner
        Trapper
        Truck driver
        Undertaker
        Veterinarian
        Watch/clock repairman/maker
        Weaver
        Welder
        Well driller
        Wheelwright
        Winemaker
        Wood gas equipment maker
        Woodworker


        A few skills that won’t be in high demand, but would be a good secondary skill

        Artist
        Bookbinder
        Candy maker
        Comedian
        Dye maker
        Entertainer
        Historian
        Ink maker
        Judge/arbitrator
        Karaoke operator
        Maid
        Massage therapist
        Musician
        Physicist
        Scribe
        Secretary
        Storyteller
        Toy & game maker


        Some things I probably won’t get for barter for this reason: If there is a large die off the items will be available to pick up all sorts of places. If there isn’t one, they will still be available through normal channels.

        Knives, especially ‘Cheap’ knives
        Clothing
        Tools (Yes, have a really good set for yourself, and possibly one to barter the use of, but keep the tools)
        Cooking equipment
        Fishing gear
        Jerry D Young

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        • #5
          what he said LOL personally im looking at bolts of cloth,thread, spices, nuts and bolts, nails. cans, jars, and assorted other goodies but the piece de resistance Chocolate. Lots of chocolate. LOL

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          • #6
            wow awesome post Jerry I'm on the same page with on you on alot of that stuff
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Skyowl's Wife View Post
              You don't want to barter your gold and silver, that's going to be your currency.

              I have for barter:

              Pepper
              Salt
              Seeds
              Clothing
              Sewing skills

              Under no circumstances (except possibly to a doctor for medical services) would we barter guns or ammo.
              Just curious why do you feel safe bartering guns and ammo to an MD?

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              • #8
                @Jerry, great post .. lots of things I didn't think of .. thanks for taking the time to type that out.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PT945 View Post
                  Just curious why do you feel safe bartering guns and ammo to an MD?
                  I started to say that I wouldn't barter them under any circumstances. But started thinking... and thought again. If I saw SkyOwl or one of my grandchildren badly wounded... I would then consider it. I guess it's a case of never say "never".
                  "If Howdy Doody runs against him, I'm voting for the puppet." - SkyOwl's Wife, 2012

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                  • #10
                    I would not barter guns or ammo. I do tins of tobacco, coffee and kerosene lamp wicks also some medications all of which are very shelf stable.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Skyowl's Wife View Post
                      I started to say that I wouldn't barter them under any circumstances. But started thinking... and thought again. If I saw SkyOwl or one of my grandchildren badly wounded... I would then consider it. I guess it's a case of never say "never".
                      I totally agree! I would trade guns/ammo for medical care for my kids, but again, unless Im in that situation, I guess I cant say for sure! Rather hang on to what we got!

                      Great list, Jerry! Maybe I do have a few skills to barter!!!
                      If the zombies chase us, Im tripping you!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by maric View Post
                        I totally agree! I would trade guns/ammo for medical care for my kids, but again, unless Im in that situation, I guess I cant say for sure! Rather hang on to what we got!

                        Great list, Jerry! Maybe I do have a few skills to barter!!!
                        That didnt come out right, I would do anything for my kids!!! Trading for anything else I would consider at that time!
                        If the zombies chase us, Im tripping you!!!

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                        • #13
                          might stock up on your lead bars for casting bullets, def become a kind of currency as well as gas station lighters, coffee, tea, flower, lamp oil, wax, wood. Also a way to grow fruit, animals like goats for milk and chickens for eggs. def watch the seasons of the show colony as well as the book of eli. they have to barter in both shows

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by maric View Post
                            I totally agree! I would trade guns/ammo for medical care for my kids, but again, unless Im in that situation, I guess I cant say for sure! Rather hang on to what we got!

                            Great list, Jerry! Maybe I do have a few skills to barter!!!
                            For my tight circle,
                            I would want a Doctor in the group

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                            • #15
                              Food (and water) is everything.....if you do not have food....everything else is academic.

                              Food is gold to a hungry man.....

                              If you don't have food.....a way to cook the food....a way to protect the food.....a place to store the food....then what good is the other stuff?

                              If you do not keep the caloric intake going in to your body.....some one will take your barter items....after you starve to death.

                              That being said....I like ammo....some silver (gold is too big)......matches......batteries....candles.....an d well...food.

                              Just my $0.02
                              Live like you'll die tomorrow, learn like you'll live forever.

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