bartering post-SHTF

[NRS_NoSFeRaTu]

I suppose I could lend a hand as a negotiator. I'm expertly skilled in negotiations and interrogations. PSHTF scenario, I'm not too sure if there would really be a demand for such a skill; I figure there might be a few situations where some interrogation might be useful. Other than that, I've been a decent leader when needed. Then there's always my skill for being able to out drink people twice my size . . . that could be helpful in some bartering situations, lol.

[Mosa00]

This site interests me...

Not only about the stills, but all his 'other' links toward the bottom of the page... Im gonna look into the decorative stills they sell..

http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/

Mosa

[kenno]

Back to the subject of booze!
If you concider Russia, either historicaly or in the present tense, your bound to notice th huge consumption of Vodka in daily life, I mean they sell it in plastic 2 liter bottles!. One would think that using grain to produce food would be more important but Russia has been a PAW country for hundreds of years and in those conditions, no roads, grain and potatoes rot before they can be transported to market or consummed localy the only way to preserve starch is to feed it to live stock or ferment it and distill it down to a very strong intoxicant that keeps forever and is easy to transport.
When I lived in Australia beer was a black market commidity, it was a form of money, undocumented, untraceable, and as such untaxable. Goods and jobs were priced-out by the 'slab of beer'. Beer, of course, has a short shelf life but in OZ that was never a problem. I imagine that vodka serves the same purpose in Russia and other PAW societies, and in that respect it may indeed be a good investment.

[TheLastMountainMan]

I looked into making Bio-disel. Looks like it wouldn't be to difficult, if you had the right resources.

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

I got no doubt alcohol & tobacco would be excellent bartering goods. Yall ever read One Second After? Cigarettes were like frigging gold. But of course they ran out pretty quick. Towards the end of the book, a kid was trading a squirrel he killed for 4 bullets. I would think bullets would make an excellent form of currency. Same thing for firearms. If you have enough you can part with some. 'Cause you know once the real SHTF, every left-wing liberalist who was advocating gun control is gonna be combing up & down the streets selling their daughters for a .38 Special. Course that's a bad trade, 'cause it'd mean another mouth to feed. Maybe I'll just keep my guns.

[RedWoods]

I think beer would be a great trade item. After a bit getting the components to make it will be the big problem. I'm betting some version of jailhouse pruno made from anything available that will make you drunk will be in high demand. Having the experience on making it will put you far ahead of the herd!

Red

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

I think porn mags would work too. You could be a porno and home-brew distributor. Now that's a niche right there.

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

And tocacco, I saw Heirloom seeds to grow tobacco. Smokes, porn & beer. You'd be the wealthiest man in the PSHTF world!

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

Owning the PSHTF's first Smokes, Spirits, & Smut shop would be the shit.

[countryb0y]

yes that is the way to do it any of yall know how to disitl stuff

[nakadnu]

I remember something about this another site. This guy was from what used to be Yugoslavia, I can't think of what they call that area now. But anyway he survived the war and genocide that happened at the time. He said the most valuable things during the war were toilet paper, soap, shampoo and perfume. People wanted the little things that make you feel human and remind you of the good old days more than food, money or medicine. I don't know if any of you have ever gone an extended time without a shower and clean clothes but a clean pair of socks and underwear are worth their weight in gold after several days. A clean pair of pants can make you feel like a million bucks. Learn to make soap and paper and you got it made!

[BigDukeSix]

This is the list your speaking of:

Big Duke Six
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100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

[nakadnu]

Yes it is BigDukeSix yes it is.