You May Want to Consider These....

[Skyowl's Wife]

Don't know if this info has been posted, but I think it's important to share! Pay special attention to 10997, 10998, 10999, ... hell, all of them. Click on the number to read it.

This is a list of Executive Orders in place dating back to 1939 which Clinton has grouped together under one order, EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994. The following EOs all fall under EO#12919:

10995--Federal seizure of all communications media in the US;
10997--Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private;
10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment;
10999--Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways;
11000--Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires;
11001--Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private;
11002--Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US
11003--Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft;
11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe," establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds;
11005--Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private;
11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of "National Emergency").


These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities "to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States." You'll find most 'seizure' legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don't define what specifically constitutes a national emergency and maybe this is as it should be. The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states.

[flatline]

kind of scary considering the nations economic issues atm.

[Skyowl's Wife]

What I read in this is that they can move us, separate us and take all of our food and vehicles. If they "house" us, they'll take our guns, too.

[TheUnboundOne]

Skyowl's Wife,

Speaking as a grocery cashier, and judging from the massive amounts I see people buying with their EBT Cards/Food Stamps and WIC vouchers, I seriously doubt there will ever be a ban on "hoarding." These "poor," "underprivileged" welfare cases buy much more for one month, or sometimes even for two weeks, than I could ever eat in a year. :rolleyes: :mad:

A much more likely scenario would be if government nationalized food at its source i.e. farms, orchards, vintneries, ranches, hatcheries, dairies, etc. as well as seized food at ports and harbors.

Once they control food from the source, the government could control the populace, much as Stalin did in the Baltic States, as Mao did with Red China, and as Mengistu Haile Mariam did with Ethiopia.

[Skyowl's Wife]

And Chavez - just nationalized all the food sources in the country.

And you are right, the government who controls the food, controls the men.

If trucks can't roll, though, the stores will be empty real quick. You see the ppl buying, what about the ones who aren't? Bet there are more of them! So, the trucks stop, the food stops, they cry to the government, and voila! They take ours to make it "fair".

[cwconnertx]

I am no lawyer, but I would not read too much into this. This was Clinton redelegating emergency responsibility to different government agencies.

A lot of the original EO's were outdated from the 1950s and 1960s and relate
to handles what in an emergency. I don't trust the government, but I don't see anything sinister in these plans.

They would never announce their plans to take your stuff, they just do it slowly through limiting your property rights with taxes, then with environmental regulations, etc etc.

My opinion is there is plenty of stuff to worry about, but not this EO.

[Skyowl's Wife]

Not worried about them, but am AWARE. Skyowl has hollered "situational awareness" for years! ;)

[maddog37jad]

hoarding

Y2K Revisited? Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. There is not a large rifle primer available on any of the major on-line sites. Most powders are not available. Federal is over $7,000,000.00 on back-ordered primers. At about $26.00 per thousand do the math. Fanatics have drained the supply from the sport shooter and have ultimately created scrutiny. Apparently the belief is if I have two handguns, a shotgun, and a couple of rifles, an unlimited supply of ammunition, I am king of my domain. If what they believe is coming down really comes down, then they already know what you bought and have. Are you so foolish to believe that when that Abrams tank pulls into your driveway with two F-16's overhead and you show them your new Glock 40 you are doing what is in the best interest to your family? Remember, the fact that you bought more supplies than you can possibly use in 4 generations is what attracted them to you in the first place. There are situations in life that you cannot simply shoot your way out of. Personally, I know a local store that is able to maintain inventory and I can reload, just concerned about the masses that have been left in the cold by the hoarders.

[cwconnertx]

Y2K Revisited? Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. There is not a large rifle primer available on any of the major on-line sites. Most powders are not available. Federal is over $7,000,000.00 on back-ordered primers. At about $26.00 per thousand do the math. Fanatics have drained the supply from the sport shooter and have ultimately created scrutiny. Apparently the belief is if I have two handguns, a shotgun, and a couple of rifles, an unlimited supply of ammunition, I am king of my domain. If what they believe is coming down really comes down, then they already know what you bought and have. Are you so foolish to believe that when that Abrams tank pulls into your driveway with two F-16's overhead and you show them your new Glock 40 you are doing what is in the best interest to your family? Remember, the fact that you bought more supplies than you can possibly use in 4 generations is what attracted them to you in the first place. There are situations in life that you cannot simply shoot your way out of. Personally, I know a local store that is able to maintain inventory and I can reload, just concerned about the masses that have been left in the cold by the hoarders.

I hear what you are saying and partially agree. it is a self perpetuating cycle. I normally would only keep 2000 or 3000 rounds of each pistol caliber, but I am a member of sport shooting organizations and try to do a lot of shooting. So i go into Walmart to buy some ammo for a weekend match and can't get any. So I go everywhere until I get it and get as much as I can. Why?

1. I need to have it if I want to shoot it and I can't seem just to walk into the store and pick it up on the way to the range.
2. The prices keeep escalating in the retail outlets so it is cheaper to buy now. Rational behavior.

Not everyone who is buying ammo is expecting to shoot their way out of every situation, however, I want to be able to participate in my chosen activity and have no choice but to buy it when I can get it.

On the other hand, if I need to have a firefight, I will do it from the longest distance possible, first with the 50, then the 308s and 30-06.
I really hope i never need to use a Glock against anyone who is shooting back, it means they got too close.

And i really doubt anyone is coming to my house because I HAD a lot of supplies.... (I shot all the ammo :) )

[Visinedrops]

Does the term "The things you own end up owning you" mean anything to anyone? The second you allow that cell phone, or your car, or even your computer to become something you rely on, it will no longer become something you own. It will own you. If you have to be near a radio, it owns you. If you have to have a pack of cigarettes in your pocket, it owns you.

You are charged a tax on everything you own. To drive your car, you pay license tax and fuel tax. To talk on your cell phone, you have to pay 4 different kinds of taxes.

In September of 1998, I threw away almost everything I owned, including 3 cars, to move somewhere I hoped had prosperity. In the fall of 2001, I threw away everything again to move. In the spring of 2002, I did it again, and finally, September of 2003 I threw away everything once again. If it didn't fit into a duffel bag, I threw it away. Furniture, paintings, pictures, videos, TV's, a computer system...everything.

For all those people who are looking to save their posessions, I have a few simple rules to follow:
1. Is it necessary for my survival?
2. Does it mean something to me?
3. Will I be able to carry it if I have to?

With these 3 simple rules, you can figure out what is truely valuable, and forsake everything else. That antique armoir in the guest bedroom is nothing more than firewood to keep you warm. The house you live in is nothing more than shelter from the rain. The electric lamp on your nightstand is nothing but a comfort item.

The quilt your grandmother sewed for you when you were a child is valuable; it will keep you warm at night, it reminds you of your grandmother, and you can tuck it under your arm if you have to go somewhere.

Even if "they" take everything from you that "they" deem valuable, you will still have the things you need to not only keep you happy, but also to keep you safe.

[Applejack]

Thought this might be of interest. Hopefully none of it will happen but what has our government done over the past 10 or 12 years that will make you think about how you prep today.

[Murphy]

Maybe someone can help me out here..

I didn't see the word "seizure" in any of those. Nothing even related to seizure, confiscation, eminent domain, or anything else. What am I missing?

The original poster says we should be concerned but after reading a few of those documents, I didn't see anything that would concern me.

[Morgan101]

I just picked # 10998 since it focused on food. I would say Section 5 - Claimancy; and Section 6 - Stockpiles would be a strong indication that the government will seize whatever they deem necessary.

After looking at a few others several include the Claimancy and Stockpile clauses.

[Murphy]

I just picked # 10998 since it focused on food. I would say Section 5 - Claimancy; and Section 6 - Stockpiles would be a strong indication that the government will seize whatever they deem necessary.

After looking at a few others several include the Claimancy and Stockpile clauses.

Read it carefully, word for word..

Its nothing but right wing propaganda. I always laugh when the propagandist use the natural tendency of some folks to fear the government.

If SHTF, the federal government is the last thing you need to fear.. although I wouldn't plan on counting on them for anything resembling assistance , I wouldn't fear them either. Your local police force (if its corrupt) and other citizens will be a FAR bigger threat... The parents who decided to have 5 children and didn't prepare for anything will be the single biggest threat to other people.

[Applejack]

It;s not right wing or left. It is what past presidents have signed into law. I tend to agree with Morgan on no. 10998.
If you go to https://offgridsurvival.com/martiallaw-unitedstates, it is a very interesting read.