S&W 325 PD a .45 ACP revolver

[jeager]

Hard to do with an AK. Difficult to hit anything with it anyhow.

NOT!

I owned a couple AK-47's and SKS carbines.

With lousy ammo I could get 4" at my 125 yard back door range.
2" was easy with Red Select Russian ammo.
Chinese ammo wasn't very good but still got 4" at 125.
To me max distance with an AK or SKS against a human target it 200 yards.
With almost any imported ammo 4" and better is easy and that's good 'nuff for
two legged critters.
It ain't match accuracy but it don't have to be.

I have a Ruger SR 5.56 now and 1,000 rounds of ammo.
The issued sights are just peachy and I don't intend to scope it.
But! My older eyes, might dictate a scope, pro'ly a 3 X Burris.
Some no good dirty rotten Arab thief at a motel STOLE my Double Star 5.56.
The D.S. had a s.s. 18.5" heavy barrel and it would easily do 1.5" at 125 with any
5.56 ammo.

I still have my 6.8 s.p.c. AR and have taken at least 3 deer with it.
Fine caliber.
Ammo ain't cheap however.

[Rustyshakelford]

Yeah...if I saw someone shuckin' and jivin' throught he gauntlet w/an AK, and shootin' from hip-side.....I'd probably avoid him and that particular range, if nobody saw fit to educate the idiot... :D

I am pretty good with it at 100-150 yards and my handloads. But hitting an enemy soldier in the jungles of Vietnam at 400 yards in the knee to draw out his buddies is complete BS.

[Big_Saw]

Hard to do with an AK. Difficult to hit anything with it anyhow.

Yeah...if I saw someone shuckin' and jivin' throught he gauntlet w/an AK, and shootin' from hip-side.....I'd probably avoid him and that particular range, if nobody saw fit to educate the idiot... :D

[Rustyshakelford]

Yeah, I must admit, when we go out to the property and have blast-offs.....I get kinda crazy w/the Ithaca.....runnin' through our little homemade gaunlet and firing from the hip....still pretty accurate w/my shots, though.....experience counts for something..... yeehaw.

Hard to do with an AK. Difficult to hit anything with it anyhow.

[Big_Saw]

One rule the old range I used to go to in the DFW area had a rule that I liked. No more then 1 shot every 3 seconds. Kept the yeah-hoos in control. I do like to just shoot sometimes, forgetting target aquisition. Take the AK out and just drop 30 rounds on a target at 200 yards just to see what a lot of lead downrange can do. I am usually disappointed though. Miss more then I hit.

Yeah, I must admit, when we go out to the property and have blast-offs.....I get kinda crazy w/the Ithaca.....runnin' through our little homemade gaunlet and firing from the hip....still pretty accurate w/my shots, though.....experience counts for something..... yeehaw.

[kenno]

I would rather have a 44 SPL, solves alot of problems and has better balistics.

[Rustyshakelford]

On the other hand, you got guys like me and my buddies. We head to the range with that dull, khaki-toned sidearm we've been toting since Columbia. We came with about 50 rds a piece. We hit the tactical draw booth, so we can improve on reaction times, coupled ith accuracy. We bullsh*t with the old-timers, 'cause they're smarter than us, and we know it. When we finaly get to the shooting booths, it's just muscle memory.....no target sillouette has more than two holes in it, but one magazine lasts through eight targets. One center mass, and one head, as fast as can be accurately executed. After a few hours, you've finally spent about half your box of 50, and it's time to service your weapon and go home.

You're a shootist......not a gamer......congratulations.

One rule the old range I used to go to in the DFW area had a rule that I liked. No more then 1 shot every 3 seconds. Kept the yeah-hoos in control. I do like to just shoot sometimes, forgetting target aquisition. Take the AK out and just drop 30 rounds on a target at 200 yards just to see what a lot of lead downrange can do. I am usually disappointed though. Miss more then I hit.

[Big_Saw]

On the other hand, you got guys like me and my buddies. We head to the range with that dull, khaki-toned sidearm we've been toting since Columbia. We came with about 50 rds a piece. We hit the tactical draw booth, so we can improve on reaction times, coupled ith accuracy. We bullsh*t with the old-timers, 'cause they're smarter than us, and we know it. When we finaly get to the shooting booths, it's just muscle memory.....no target sillouette has more than two holes in it, but one magazine lasts through eight targets. One center mass, and one head, as fast as can be accurately executed. After a few hours, you've finally spent about half your box of 50, and it's time to service your weapon and go home.

You're a shootist......not a gamer......congratulations.

[Big_Saw]

I know. But my 686 serves me fine. And I know you are not the spray and pray kind of guy. But the hi tech, hi cap firearms have done more to contribute to poor shooting skills than any other factor. The spary and pray mentality of a lot of folks appalls me!!!. Give them a single shot and see if they dont fix those lousy shooting skills.

Just my opinion though.

I know what you mean...you ought to see some of the guys who come to the range with their buddies and their new rigs....They come with about 500 rds - get the barrel on that new Glock red-hot in about 3 or 4 minutes, make a lot of noise, one guy's loading clips, while the others are taking turns seeing how fast they can pull the trigger...they don't really hit anything, but that's okay, because they're not shootists, they're just having fun...afer about 10 minutes, run out of ammo, call it a day.....head for the couch.

[Rustyshakelford]

Now-now, Rusty....don't be too judgemental just 'cause you're a spinner-fan. I've served with guys that were absolute surgeons with any pistol...it's just a preference, that's all.

Me, I'm a quick-draw, and a dead-shot with every weapon in my arsenal, 'cause I know 'em, and I like 'em. And I have been professionally trained and graded with them. You can't blame the weapon for bad shooting any more than you can blame the pencil for bad spelling....

Just my $0.02

I know. But my 686 serves me fine. And I know you are not the spray and pray kind of guy. But the hi tech, hi cap firearms have done more to contribute to poor shooting skills than any other factor. The spary and pray mentality of a lot of folks appalls me!!!. Give them a single shot and see if they dont fix those lousy shooting skills.

Just my opinion though.

[Big_Saw]

I have heard that auto shooters are that way due to lack of practice. They like having the 19 round 9mm mags so they can spray and pray. Like the studies of the NYPD. I cannot remember the name of the case, but they shot a retarded kid who was pulling out his wallet to get his ID an 4 cops opened up on him. They shot a total of 49 rounds and hit the kid 6 times. Poor training and lack of range time? Yeah. The answer to lack of range time? Give them LOTS of rounds and hope they hit something.

Me? I hit what I intend to hit with 1 round, and the second is to ensure they go down.

By the way, the kid died. 1 of the spray and pray rounds hit him in the head. I never heard if they were sued, but I would assume that the anti-firearms lawyers had a heyday with the head shot. I am sure that the family no longer lives in a rent controlled flat in one of the less desireable bouroughs.

Now-now, Rusty....don't be too judgemental just 'cause you're a spinner-fan. I've served with guys that were absolute surgeons with any pistol...it's just a preference, that's all.

Me, I'm a quick-draw, and a dead-shot with every weapon in my arsenal, 'cause I know 'em, and I like 'em. And I have been professionally trained and graded with them. You can't blame the weapon for bad shooting any more than you can blame the pencil for bad spelling....

Just my $0.02

[Zombie Axe]

Man, that is a nice piece. I have a ruger blackhawk that shoots .45 ACP, but I really like that S&W you are showing. Are the moon clips difficult to load?

Piece of cake to load up, they snap right in... Takes a little bit of doing to remove (demoon) the empties but a 1/2 pipe will do the trick in a pinch along with a straight pull away from the clip...

Reminds me I got some nice high impact plastic stock that I am gonna make me a demooning tool this week! Will follow up with that later on :)

[Rustyshakelford]

I'm an auto fan, myself, but that is one sick wheelgun.....niiiiice.

I have heard that auto shooters are that way due to lack of practice. They like having the 19 round 9mm mags so they can spray and pray. Like the studies of the NYPD. I cannot remember the name of the case, but they shot a retarded kid who was pulling out his wallet to get his ID an 4 cops opened up on him. They shot a total of 49 rounds and hit the kid 6 times. Poor training and lack of range time? Yeah. The answer to lack of range time? Give them LOTS of rounds and hope they hit something.

Me? I hit what I intend to hit with 1 round, and the second is to ensure they go down.

By the way, the kid died. 1 of the spray and pray rounds hit him in the head. I never heard if they were sued, but I would assume that the anti-firearms lawyers had a heyday with the head shot. I am sure that the family no longer lives in a rent controlled flat in one of the less desireable bouroughs.

[Big_Saw]

I'm an auto fan, myself, but that is one sick wheelgun.....niiiiice.

[beebopcop]

Man, that is a nice piece. I have a ruger blackhawk that shoots .45 ACP, but I really like that S&W you are showing. Are the moon clips difficult to load?