Network Custom Guns Fixed Gas Operated Barrels for the 1911

[Stitch]

Does anyone have any experience with this barrel?

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The NCG Gas Gun is the approved barrel for the RCBD Super Velocity Ammo:
45 ACP 115 grain @ 2200 fps
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45 ACP Bullseye shooters have reported the Ultimate with a Kart barrel
as a liner are shooting 1" groups @ 50 yards; a cloverleaf, all touching
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45 ACP - 45 Super Brass Only

Grain Name Feet per Second Ft. / lbs. Energy
200 Hornady XTP 1450 926
185 Nosler H/P 1470 880
165 Sierra H/P 1600 930
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http://ncggasgun.com/barreldetails/

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[Echo2]

Nope....looks interesting though....and expensive.

Would the benifit outweigh the investment?

[PT945]

Interesting, first I've heard of them.

[Bayou Blaster]

I can think of alot better things to spend $1500 on. The 1911 is best left alone, well lubed with quality mags and ammo. Introducing Murphy's Law to John Moses Browning's design that's pretty much unchanged in over 100 plus years would have him rolling in his grave. Competitive shooting application maybe. Don't see the benefit in a survival/prepardness application. My Kimber Stainless Target II is accurate enough.

[Stitch]

I can think of alot better things to spend $1500 on. The 1911 is best left alone, well lubed with quality mags and ammo. Introducing Murphy's Law to John Moses Browning's design that's pretty much unchanged in over 100 plus years would have him rolling in his grave. Competitive shooting application maybe. Don't see the benefit in a survival/prepardness application. My Kimber Stainless Target II is accurate enough.

In my opinion that is like saying Ford should never have listened to Caroll Shelby. Kimbers are much tighter than Brownings original design and they have an added firing pin safety, MIM parts, recoil guide rod, light rails, mag wells, 8 round magazines, stainless steel slides & frames, beaver tail grip safeties & ambi thumb safeties that are not original.

In my opinion a 200 grain Hornady XTP going 1450 fps with 926 ft/lbs of energy would make a great hunting hand gun in a survival/prepardness situation.

[Bayou Blaster]

In my opinion that is like saying Ford should never have listened to Caroll Shelby. Kimbers are much tighter than Brownings original design and they have an added firing pin safety, MIM parts, recoil guide rod, light rails, mag wells, 8 round magazines, stainless steel slides & frames, beaver tail grip safeties & ambi thumb safeties that are not original.

In my opinion a 200 grain Hornady XTP going 1450 fps with 926 ft/lbs of energy would make a great hunting hand gun in a survival/prepardness situation.

I'm going to have to send my Kimber back for the ambi safety and light rail, just kidding. I'm a FORD man myself, wish I had the money to by one of Caroll Shelby's toys. God has Blessed me elsewhere though. All those items you mentioned where in my opinion enhancements. What this company is offering equates to a redesign of the operating mechanism. So ineffect taking John Browning out of the equation. If you got the cash to have that modification done, more power to you.

While I agree in principal to the generalities, I don't see the reasoning behind the expenditure. I would rather harvest game with something more practical, designed for that purpose and possibly more humane (At distance) for that purpose than spending the $1500 to modify a firearm that was not designed with that purpose in mind. Granted I have hunted before in the past with hand guns. I like that some firearms can serve a dual purpose. Some long arms do that exceptionally well, handguns not so much respective to their limitations.

I just don't like stretching things beyond their design limitations. When pushed beyond their limits something will likely fail. When push to their limits failure rates increase dramatically in every mechanical apparatus. See that most race days or when someone has pushed the load charts to the limits on a firearm. I read the technical info on the modification and it left me asking myself some questions as to the sustained reliability of this mod. When it's in the field long enough I may revisit it. Even the conversion of Eugene Stoner's Gas system to a piston driven system has not been without it's share of major teething pains.

Stitch I really enjoy your comments and post very much. Miss my times in Az. Glad to see you here in this forum. Appreciate your service to our country (judging by your latest avatar). In this case, I guess we can agree to disagree. BTW I love and shoot Hornady's XTP ammunition and recommend it.

[slowz1k]

Hmmm... I see what you saying Stitch, but I'd have to agree with BB on this one. You're right about the Kimber, but they didn't change Brownings basic design. This application would probably work well as a race gun, but I, personally, don't see a cost justification. As for a hunting hand gun, I could buy a Super RedHawk with optics for $1500, and probably have change for a few boxes of ammo. This is just my opinion, and I'm no expert.

[Stitch]

If everyone agreed on everything life would be very boring. There would only be one model of cars, trucks, guns, knives, clothes, houses, etc.

I think one of these conversions might be fun for a game gun -IPSC or IDPA- , but not if you only had one gun. I have a custom Colt Series '70 for my primary CCW.

I recently purchased a used, blue carbon steel, Springfield Armory Trophy Match from one of the local gun shops with the intent of possibly getting back into competition shooting. It came with one of these barrels already in it. I am going to give it a work out on Monday. The one thing about the design I do not care for is I can't use my favorite lead 200 grain SWC load due to the gas port. There is an insert the breech face that lowered the firirng pin to hit the center of the primer since this barrel does not have the top locking lugs like a traditional 1911 barrel.

[slowz1k]

If everyone agreed on everything life would be very boring. There would only be one model of cars, trucks, guns, knives, clothes, houses, etc.

I think one of these conversions might be fun for a game gun -IPSC or IDPA- , but not if you only had one gun. I have a custom Colt Series '70 for my primary CCW.

I recently purchased a used blue carbon steel Springfield Armory Trophy Match from one of the local gun shops with the intent of possibly getting back into competition shooting. It came with one of these barrels already in it. I am going to give it a work out on Monday. The one thing about the design I do not care for is I can't use my favorite lead 200 grain SWC load due to the gas port. There is an insert the breech face that lowered the firirng pin to hit the center of the primer since this barrel does not have the top locking lugs like a traditional 1911 barrel.

Cool!!! Let us know how it runs!

[Stitch]

Range report. In my opinion this conversion is a POS. It was very accurate when it worked. Out of almost 300 rounds I was able to shoot one magazine with out multiple stoppages including failure to chamber and stove pipe jams. The only saving grace was the Trophy Match came with the original barrel which is now back in the gun. Magazines used were Les Baer, Wilson Combat and Metalform. Ammo was 230 grain XTPs, 6.2 grains of VV N340, OAL 1.225. The loads woked fine in my Colt and a buddies Springfield Mil-Spec.

[slowz1k]

Well that sucks!!!

But at least we now know. Thanks for the report.

[Stitch]

After my dismal performance with the gas barrel I decided to put the factory barrel back in it. I took it out yesterday and fired 8 rounds throuh it. Three out of the 8 required a second hammer strike to fire. This did not instill confidence. Upon inspecting the brass the firing pin strikes were at the very bottom of the primers. The conversion process for the gas barrel required lowering the firing pin.

I ended up replacing the slide. Good bye pretty Trophy Match slide with adjustable sights and hello GI style, loose and tiny sights. It is back in the safe until I have time to see if it is reliable.

[Oscar Wilde]

Man, this really bites. You getting any customer support on this?

O.W.

[Stitch]

I bought it used and I am not sure if they will be of any help. I guess it couldn't hurt to contact them. A lemon gun really sucks.

[Oscar Wilde]

I can't imagine the company wanting any bad press on their product, second hand or otherwise .... keep us up to date.

O.W.