Cold War 2

[Garand]

Now that Russia has enabled us the revisit the Cold War once again I noticed a new normal. Where during the first Cold War Russian infantry never wore the stuff, now everyone of them wears body armor. The question is now, what caliber of bullet will penetrate Russian body amour and why is the 1911 not chambered in that caliber?

[Armyjimbo]

Depends if they have plates in or not. against level 3 plus, 223, x39 and 308 are stopped most of the time. However some rounds sneak through the 7.62x25 (tokarov) will pass due to speed and BC kind of opposite to the .45ACP. Or you can try to find armor piercing, If you fail to punch through remember, it still passes the kinetic energy to somewhere.

[Garand]

You missed my second question! Why can't we buy a 1911 in 7.62x 25mm?

[Tugaloo]

As range would definitely change the .50 CAL's 10,000 to 15,000 ft/lbs of force. Even the armor is effective, the question would the wearer of this Russian armor be still standing up?

My answer to your second question is a guess based on the Super .30 Carry article posted in this forum.

The other option, tracking down a rumor, is that Nighthawk makes 1911 copies in .30 Super as well. We found the webpage, and it’s a custom-only job that requires you to call and ask for a quote. If our experience in car dealerships and restaurants is any indication, “ask for price” usually translates to “a lot.”

I'd say yes, it can be made, but how many months salary would it cost?

;)

[Garand]

Actually if it was produced in China or the Philippines, it's price would probably be compatible to all the other variants of the Norinco or Rock Island Armory 1911's that are being imported into North America. A home grown 1911 in 7.62x25mm, the price scares me.

[Tugaloo]

Most NV systems are made in China which happens to be a nation that isn't allowed to purchase NV from American resellers.
China manufactures most NV systems; so "we" gave them the technology and they can't export one from here? It could be China would pay a lot more? LOL
Anyhow as Forrest Gump said "stupid as stupid does"

Based on seeing and shooting one Norinco M1A and 1911-A1 clones; I was impressed! The Norinco M1A clones accuracy was impressive at 200 meters.
A bud owns each and sent me this:
https://thebrucesite.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/norinco-1911-a1-review/

[Garand]

In Canada, Distributors imported a large number of .45 acp Norinco 1911's about 6-7 years ago, going for $299.00 for a basic gun. I have seen a lot of nice guns built on that chassis.

[Tugaloo]

You missed my second question! Why can't we buy a 1911 in 7.62x 25mm?

Actually, I didn't miss your question; I couldn't remember where I saw it. Anyhow, the short answer is you can..

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/converting-a-1911-to-7-62x25-tokarev/99440

It may or may not be an easy drop in.

[Garand]

It would be interesting for a manufacturer to do it.

[Tugaloo]

It would be interesting for a manufacturer to do it.

I agree!!

My reasoning is I belong to a few firearm's websites and a lot of people are buying former ComBlock 7.62 x 25 pistols because they are relatively inexpensive and ammo is available.
I've shot a few and their accuracy is as expected is the usual ComBlock. If a quality and accurate 7.62 x 25 was offered, I'd buy one.

[Garand]

I think that the 7.62x 25mm cartridge will be with us for many more decades. Especially with the expansion of armies around the world using body armour. The 1911 would be a fantastic base to use due to all the after market accessories already available.

[Armyjimbo]

I think that the 7.62x 25mm cartridge will be with us for many more decades. Especially with the expansion of armies around the world using body armour. The 1911 would be a fantastic base to use due to all the after market accessories already available.

Thats an unholy mix, kinda like phosphorus and air. ;)

[Garand]

lololololololol, nothing unholy about shootin bad guys!

[Tugaloo]

IMO and if one can overlook its trigger as compared to the 1911s, a Hi or High Power would also do quite well.
I'd be wallet opening interested in a 7.62 x 25 pistol with adjustable sites that is accurate.

Armyjimbo,
Willy-Pete is good stuff; as was flame no matter how it was delivered.