if shtf, the pistol wont amount to a hill of beans.

[registror]

While one is definitely worth having, for the times you can't have the rifle (ie, driving, climbing, in a tunnel, etc. it's not worth having one that's over 1 lb in weight and a dozen rds of ammo. You'll be dead if you have to use it more than that. It needs to be in a kydex front pants pocket holster, with velcro on the rig and the pocket, so that the holster can't come out of the pocket with the gun. It needs to be accessible, but concealed, out of the elements, out of the way of the rifle (slung or in-hand) and out of the way of the pack harness/hip-belt. Since this is also the best set up for normal times ccw, it's a nice coincidence.

[Garand]

When is the last time you ever humped a rucksack wearing a pocket holster, NEVER I'm betting. Across the chest rigs are more practical and can allow you more free movement than a pocket holster.

[RICHFL]

I'll take that bet. While in the military I served in 2 wars and several interventions (think desert one April 1980). My experience is that a chest rig is for people who sit up right, truck and plane drivers. The first thing you do when attacked is duck for cover. Get your butt in the ground.

So how can you get your weapon out while laying on it? Off your leg in an extended carry puts it 6-8 inches below your pistol belt, with in reach.

[Dorobuta]

I'll take that bet. While in the military I served in 2 wars and several interventions (think desert one April 1980). My experience is that a chest rig is for people who sit up right, truck and plane drivers. The first thing you do when attacked is duck for cover. Get your butt in the ground.

So how can you get your weapon out while laying on it? Off your leg in an extended carry puts it 6-8 inches below your pistol belt, with in reach.

That’s not in a pocket, which is what the OP said.

I use a drop leg with a ruck, but I wear it higher than most, so it is just below the hip belt pad.

transitions to / from pistol are simple.

I have several thigh rigs, including for the M9, which I rarely carry anymore.

[Dorobuta]

While one is definitely worth having, for the times you can't have the rifle (ie, driving, climbing, in a tunnel, etc. it's not worth having one that's over 1 lb in weight and a dozen rds of ammo. You'll be dead if you have to use it more than that. It needs to be in a kydex front pants pocket holster, with velcro on the rig and the pocket, so that the holster can't come out of the pocket with the gun. It needs to be accessible, but concealed, out of the elements, out of the way of the rifle (slung or in-hand) and out of the way of the pack harness/hip-belt. Since this is also the best set up for normal times ccw, it's a nice coincidence.

why does it need to be concealed if it is SHTF? You’ll be visibly armed with your rifle.
also, you aren’t transitioning on move with it in a pocket. You do practice rifle / pistol transition - right? Shooting on the move, etc? If not, then you really should, in your gear.

you have no idea about the number of pistol rounds needed. I’ll have spare magazines and will be using a full sized pistol that isn’t in my pocket. It will be in a holster accessible while I’m wearing my pack.

[Tugaloo]

Registror, Which YouTube channel did you watch to form your useless opinion?

[Dorobuta]

Registror, Which YouTube channel did you watch to form your useless opinion?

He is fixated on a few concepts, which highlight his lack of experience. He insists on a concealed small pistol in the FRONT POCKET of his pants. According to him, to do otherwise makes you stupid Never does he explain why, if he is carrying a rifle, the pistol needs to be concealed. You're already visibly armed, why conceal the pistol. Not to mention that if you are wearing a decent pack of any kind, you are not getting into your front pocket quickly and you aren't transitioning on the move.

The other three things he fixates on, is having a short (10" or less) barreled AR in .223/ 5.56, and having a .22 unit for it. The last of the three is a very small amount of ammo - less than 100 rnds of .223 and 200 rnds of .22

I agree with him that a .22 is useful for foraging, but I disagree with ever crippling your main defensive weapon with a conversion unit. Carrying a small .22 pistol, like a Ruger Mark (I/II/III/IV) is a far better solution, in my mind.

if an Oh Shit moment arises, you drop the pistol and raise your rifle (which should be slung in front ready position). This vs. all the steps required to put your rifle back into fighting condition: dropping magazine, ejecting rounds, pulling the rear takedown pin, removing the BCG, replacing the bcg, re-inserting the rear take down pin, inserting a magazine, charging the weapon, bringing it to bear. You aren't doing this on the move, and you probably died somewhere in the middle of the process.

if you can't handle the additional weight of a .22 pistol and ammo, you need to hit the gym.

A lot of his advice is theoretical - he has never actually tried any of the things he advocates. He has, however, spent a lot of time thinking about them. Theory, like most plans, rarely survives actual implementation. He seems incapable of understanding that there are people of actually have been there, done that.

He is also generally unwilling to hold a rational discussion on his ideas. Some of which are not horrible, some of which will get you killed most ricky-tick.

[Tugaloo]

He is fixated on a few concepts, which highlight his lack of experience. He insists on a concealed small pistol in the FRONT POCKET of his pants. According to him, to do otherwise makes you stupid Never does he explain why, if he is carrying a rifle, the pistol needs to be concealed. You're already visibly armed, why conceal the pistol. Not to mention that if you are wearing a decent pack of any kind, you are not getting into your front pocket quickly and you aren't transitioning on the move.

The other three things he fixates on, is having a short (10" or less) barreled AR in .223/ 5.56, and having a .22 unit for it. The last of the three is a very small amount of ammo - less than 100 rnds of .223 and 200 rnds of .22

I agree with him that a .22 is useful for foraging, but I disagree with ever crippling your main defensive weapon with a conversion unit. Carrying a small .22 pistol, like a Ruger Mark (I/II/III/IV) is a far better solution, in my mind.

if an Oh Shit moment arises, you drop the pistol and raise your rifle (which should be slung in front ready position). This vs. all the steps required to put your rifle back into fighting condition: dropping magazine, ejecting rounds, pulling the rear takedown pin, removing the BCG, replacing the bcg, re-inserting the rear take down pin, inserting a magazine, charging the weapon, bringing it to bear. You aren't doing this on the move, and you probably died somewhere in the middle of the process.

if you can't handle the additional weight of a .22 pistol and ammo, you need to hit the gym.

A lot of his advice is theoretical - he has never actually tried any of the things he advocates. He has, however, spent a lot of time thinking about them. Theory, like most plans, rarely survives actual implementation. He seems incapable of understanding that there are people of actually have been there, done that.

He is also generally unwilling to hold a rational discussion on his ideas. Some of which are not horrible, some of which will get you killed most ricky-tick.

A pistol in the front pocket? I guess whatever floats one's boat; however, most my pistols are too big or it could be my pockets are too small...
It's his quickness to insult others.
GK having a rational discussion would be an event worth reading.. LOL

There is a difference between .223 and 5.56.
Gun Digest 06/21
Regarding pressure, 5.56 NATO ammunition is loaded to a MAP of about 58,000 PSI. The .223 Remington to a MAP of about PSI.61 55,000 PSI.
The throat of the chamber is also cut 0.125" longer.
Because of these differences, if you fire a 5.56 NATO cartridge in a rifle chambered for .223 Remington, pressures can spike as high as 65,000 PSI.
This isn't safe and case primers to back out---or even catastrophic firearm failure.
OTOH, it's safe to fire .223 Rem in a rifle chambered for 5.56 NATO.
Reliability and accuracy will not be optimal, but it is safe..."

If anyone disagrees; contact Gun Digest as all I did was quote them. :)

There is the Wylde chamber: https://www.wilsoncombat.com/223-wylde/
I have ARs with the Wylde chamber, .223 accuracy is very good and 5.56 which lacks the fancy accuracy of tailored .223 reloads still shoot about what 5.56 ARs shoot.

Way too much theory which lacks any practical experienced based knowledge.

We had an interesting experience; the wife walks from the road to the tree line at the back of the property; it's about 300'. She walked down, turned around and walked back. About 5 to 10 minutes after she walked by, a sow bear and cub crossed her path. We take wandering the woods with more firepower.


IF SHTF happens, it will change everything.

[Dorobuta]

I agree on the difference between 5.56 and .223, it just avoids arguments to list them together.

[Tugaloo]

I agree on the difference between 5.56 and .223, it just avoids arguments to list them together.

Very true; however, I was surprised to learn how many people believe they are the same and they are not.

Although both of us know; however, does everyone we know or post here know?

I have a friend who shoots an AR often. As I didn't wish to stir the pot; I loaned him my issue of Gun Digest 06/21. It did catch his attention.

[Armyjimbo]

I've been in contact once or twice, a handy noise maker/distraction device is always handy. When mounted in vehicle mine is in either a chest rig or vehicle mount close to my knee. When foot born, it's at my side. Fortunately my choices haven't been put to the acid test, but trying to manuver a long gun in the cab of a vehicle is not all that easy.

[Tugaloo]

I've been in contact once or twice, a handy noise maker/distraction device is always handy. When mounted in vehicle mine is in either a chest rig or vehicle mount close to my knee. When foot born, it's at my side. Fortunately my choices haven't been put to the acid test, but trying to manuver a long gun in the cab of a vehicle is not all that easy.

I've carried a 1911-A1 and High Power in an issue web belt holster. It was the
beginning of my preference for either platform.

The AK folder was the solution for the old Com Block to shoot from the inside of their version of the APC (armored personnel carrier).
That being said I prefer the M-series adjustable length stock to any AK folder based on cheek weld and more.
The shorty M-series stock stinks; OTOH, any of the Com Block folders suck.

Vietnam's use of the helicopter changed warfare. Before the helicopter, infantry fought then advanced by foot or truck. Resupplies were by truck.
After the helicopter, infantry could be moved faster and farther than ever before.

[Armyjimbo]

Yes operationally we had the M35 Browning nowadays my preference leads to the Beretta 1951. But not legal to do anything than go to the range locked in a locked box. I agree and prefer the collapsible over the foldable, I've got T-Rex arms it seems. I purchased a Wingmaster 870 with the Choate folder on it, but I found the LOP to be just a little on the long side. I soon replaced it with the pistol grip/collapsing butt. But I admit, I've never really gotten the hang of any uses of it other than opening doors. But I'll be darned if I'll get rid of it, I may have a heck of a time using it, but it's on the list that the anti gun people don't like. So that means I need one, that and it feeds the mini shells fine
I just cant get the mental act of figuring out the cone of fire, it's just one of those things dad never got a chance to teach me. Sigh I miss him.

[Tugaloo]

if shtf, the pistol wont amount to a hill of beans.

That is until you get shot with one.
Even a flesh wound without medical attention would be a disaster. A serious would without a medic and a dust off would be the end of game scenario.

Registror has a knack of ignoring the obvious.

Armyjimbo,
Due to the neighbors, I keep an 870 by the door for when I take the dogs out at night.
Our neighbors include bears, bobcats, coyotes and mountain lions. Although, GA DNR states there aren't any mountain lions in the State, my game cams and Game Wardens strongly disagree.
IMO, the reason is some people lacking sportsman's ethics would hunt them for the skin.

Georgia's laws and regulations:
https://gunlawsuits.org/gun-laws/georgia/

In a vehicle: https://www.sidmartinbio.org/can-i-c...y-car-georgia/
Pistol or long arms.

Constitutional carry open or concealed bills have passed in both the House and Senate. However, there are differences between the House and Senate versions. They must be reconciled before they can be passed.
https://www.georgiagunowners.org/sta...utional-carry/




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[Armyjimbo]

I've had many opportunity to harvest a bear, but have never done it. This is due to the fact I don't have a preference to eating it around here. Maybe if i was higher north, but unless I'm willing to eat it I'll just watch it. A pelt isn't reason enough for me.