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  • registror
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    Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
    I have two thoughts:

    1. A 1 oz sabot slug out of a 12 gauge shot gun will go thru an engine block at up to 100 yards. Did that to a 350 V8 chev engine.

    2. The first snipers used by the British were former grounds keepers from the royal forest and major lords estates. They used the first gillie suits made of netting and strips of colored cloth. They were the bounty hunters in England for illegal hunters.
    no, you didn't. not thru the block, of anything bigger than a 90cc motorcycle engine. . maybe thru the valves and valve cover. of a car motor. stop lying.

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  • RICHFL
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    jeager you have the best stories. Reminds me of various things that happened in the Military and as a Deputy Sheriff. LOL Thanks.

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  • Hummer
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    I had a friend who pulled M2 Cal 30.06 and reseated them backwards and I was at the range when he brought them out to shoot them. He first shot a target with the correct and then shot another with them reversed and his second group was at least three times as large as the first.

    When I worked for the Army Small Cal Lab they ran a test at a indoor range that had 5" thick plate to deflect bullets that went into a room and kept bouncing off the walls until they got tired and fell on the floor.

    They set up a belt fed gun on a hard mount and started shooting. After awhile they noted something sounded different down range so on a break they walked down to the bullet stopping room and found out they had a 4" diameter hole through the 5" thick plate which was supposed to have been a specific number steel. The contractor got cute and figured plate was plate was plate and substituted a different plate he found much cheaper in a scrap yard. The contractor wound up replacing it which was pricey as they had to remove the roof of the range in order to get a crane to remove the old plate and install the new plate. It was hit with thousands of rounds of Cal 50 with no problem.

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  • jeager
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    Surviving a nit wit!

    Ghillie suit. Reminds me of a hilarious story. To me it was hilarious, not the the "victim".
    My old hunting buddy and I were hunting several hundred acres of woods owned by
    another bud.
    My hunting partner showed up in a home made ghillie suit.
    He made if from strips if burlap, all strips were quite fuzzy.
    He was also a chain smoker so I stayed far from him.
    I was in a tree stand and my ol' bud never saw me, sat on a rock in his burlap
    suit and fired up a smoke!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    The lighter ignited the fussy burlap and set the suit on fire pronto.
    Being none to bright he started running which only fanned the flames.
    He jumped into an ice cold creek to put out himself.
    bawww hawwwwwwwwwwwwww. Choke, sputter, gasp, gafawwwwwwwwwwwwww.
    I nearly fell out of my tree stand.
    He was non the worse for the experience.
    Needless to say we no longer hunt together.
    Wonder why he has yet to bag a deer?
    He's till a buddy but I make excuses not to hunt with him.
    Then there was the day when he did hunt my place..................................
    I already bagged a deer so I went someplace leaving him without adult supervision.
    I came home and was horrified to find smoke coming from under the eves!!!!!

    I ran in the house to find the nit wit had a new cast iron pan in my oven full of
    bacon grease to season it while he hunted.
    Natch the bacon grease over flowed sending hot grease on the red hot element
    of the electric stove smoking up my everything.
    The there was the time I was out back hunting and nit wit had some 7.62 X 39 steel
    case ammo that got wet in his basement.
    So nit wit put the wet ammo fell out of the container onto the heating element of
    my stove and set rounds off.
    More rounds blew out of the metal container and also blew up quite nicely.
    I had many holes in my oven and had to buy a new stove.
    My bud does not come over any more!

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  • RICHFL
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    I have two thoughts:

    1. A 1 oz sabot slug out of a 12 gauge shot gun will go thru an engine block at up to 100 yards. Did that to a 350 V8 chev engine.

    2. The first snipers used by the British were former grounds keepers from the royal forest and major lords estates. They used the first gillie suits made of netting and strips of colored cloth. They were the bounty hunters in England for illegal hunters.

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  • jeager
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    IF and it's a BIG IF professional hunters turned bullets backward accuracy would
    be abysmal. Ranges would be quite short however.
    I've read a number of books by professional hunters in Africa and most use nothing less
    than the .375 H&H and ALL I've read about use full metal jackets on all dangerous game.
    Respect shooting critters that might eat you accuracy is paramount and there is a back up
    gunner right there.
    Shooting a backward loaded bullet is nothing short of stupid.
    I don't know why anyone in a survival situation needs be concerned about shooting through
    mild steel or any metal steel plates.
    If need be the 5.56/.223 WILL burn right through 3/8" steel even soft points will do that.
    I've done that.
    My range is 125 yards and in my back yard so I do one heck of a lot of shooting.
    I have at least 7 training certifications from the Ohio Police Officers Training Academy and
    I can't even remember how many shooting/fireams schools I've been too.
    I trained with Carlos Hathcock (r.i.p.) and Massad Ayoob is a personal friend.

    I know enough to know I don't know everything but I know one heck of a lot more than
    the average shooter.
    When I shot p.p.c. matches I put 100,000 rounds through a Smith revolver and wore it
    out.
    In ONE year!

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  • Dutch106
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    I concure never shoot a bullet backwards in a rifle especily! This sort of "folk wisdom" comes along periodicly from some anecdotal comment in a book, written by guy who had a buddy,who had a buddy who said something about a storey he sort of remembered someone talking about while they were getting sqiffy.
    Dutch

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  • Defcon090
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    I agree. Not only will it cause this type of harm, the bullet would probably get caught in a rifling spiral and lodge somewhere between the chamber and exit end of the barrel. Maybe even split it. Not worth the damage to yourself, gun or others.

    Originally posted by THUNDERMAN View Post
    DO NOT ever try to shoot a bullet loaded backwards in the case.This will cause a serious overpressure in the chamber. The leade into the rifling is there for a reason,to align the pointed end of the bullet into the rifling in the barrel,not a blunted end.

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  • Legion489
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    OK, the bullets were FMJ to begin with. Yes, the African hunters did pull soft nosed bullets to turn around to make FMJ, but it was because they had to, not for fun. It will work, but it obviously isn't for the faint hearted to play with. It will NOT go through 1" of hardened steel, although if you get a small bullet going fast enough it might go through 1" of soft steel and get peppered with basically lead and steel vapor.

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  • rhode
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    accuracy with the bullet backwards is probably very poor. The leade might not matter, if the bullet was seated deeply enough into the case neck. Military loads of the day were pretty low pressure, and bolt actions are very stout. So it was probably safe enough to the shooter, but extremely unlikely to do anything on the far side of 1" steel plate, from any distance.

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  • THUNDERMAN
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    DO NOT ever try to shoot a bullet loaded backwards in the case.This will cause a serious overpressure in the chamber. The leade into the rifling is there for a reason,to align the pointed end of the bullet into the rifling in the barrel,not a blunted end.

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  • entre
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    never happen, i'ts bs. guys. only the 50 bmg will pierce 1" of mild steel. SOMETIMES the tiny tungsten wire core of 30-06 AP black tip WW2 will do so, but not with any energy left over, and not from much distance,either.

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  • Legion489
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    This was quite common in Africa when the hunters ran out of FMJ ammo. The dummies were used to see where the snipers were so the other snipers could shoot at them.

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  • nakadnu
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    Thanks Kenno.
    Originally posted by kenno View Post
    The 1914 Mk VII 303 174 grn. bullet had an open lead base and the nose was filled with fiber or aluminium. The ballance was towards the rear of the bullet MV 2440 and ME 2310

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  • monet861
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    Now I'm going to have to pull the bullets from ALL of my ammo and turn it around, wow that's going to take some time.

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