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and then ALSO "think" that it wont be shtf/combat? You aint gonna benefit from having a longarm cause you're lost, hurt, sick, etc. A personal locator beacon and rental satellite phone, are much less money, weight, bulk and will be a lot more likely to save you. WHY would you need to forage animal food and other people NOT need to do so? If they DO, there will be plenty of them within ear shot of your location and plenty of them will shoot you on sight, cause it'll be shtf. The reason guys dont want to think like this is they aint skilled/capable enough. So they just jump over the need for combat capability. They dont want to have to lug around the extra weight/bulk of such guns, gear and ammo, and they dont want to train at such things. No bird is worth a shotshell in a shtf situation, and it's certainly not worth the risk you run of having enemies hear your shot and then all you have to fight with is a shotgun, which sucks at the job if they know to stay 50m away and use cover. 50m is still a snap shot to hit your (cover using) head with a silenced .22lr autorifle. They dont want to have to aim swiftly. That's why they favor the shotgun. it's not about slugs. If they were concerned about single-projectile accuracy, they'd have been training with a silenced shorty AR and .22lr conversion unit, costing 1/3rd as much.
Another reason why guys dont want to consider this is they want to use .45 and or 308, for men and "big game". If you're so remote that you have a chance at big animals, ten you can also use night vision, active and passive IR scope, and BAIT to get within 100m of such game and brain them at night with a 223 softpoint. Such a hit will drop anything short of elephant. Such a setup will let you brain deer, hogs, pronghorn at 50m or less with the BB gun quiet subsonic 22. Such is a lot easier of course, to use on cattle, horses, domestic hogs. Small game doesn't give you enough calories to justify a 12 ga blast, weight, bulk either. A cottontail is 500 calories. a squirrel 400. a grouse 250 calories, a snow shoe hare 700 calories. A turkey is easily taken at longer range with a silenced .22lr conversion unit than with a shotgun. The thick feathers mean that you must aim birdshot at their-heads/necks. With a riot barrel, that means 25m or less. Buckshot wont extend that range much, either. A tight choke or Vang barrel just means that the shotgun has only 3" of pattern spread at 10m, so you'll still have to aim it as you would a rifle. So how is that a help?
So forget the shotgun, or the rifle/shotgun combo guns, or the muzzleloaders. Get the Mini-14 and .22lr "how to make a silencer" books from Amazon. a day-night scope, nvd goggle, and have a EFFECTIVE setup for shtf. The Mini14 is a crap basis for a silencer. The info, tho, is easily extrapolated to make a can for the AR-15. The mini-14 book is long out of print and even when it was in print., people were asking ridiculous prices for it, as in over $1000. I've never understood how they could be thinking that, and I wrote those books. I also wrote the .45 book.
Another reason why guys dont want to consider this is they want to use .45 and or 308, for men and "big game". If you're so remote that you have a chance at big animals, ten you can also use night vision, active and passive IR scope, and BAIT to get within 100m of such game and brain them at night with a 223 softpoint. Such a hit will drop anything short of elephant. Such a setup will let you brain deer, hogs, pronghorn at 50m or less with the BB gun quiet subsonic 22. Such is a lot easier of course, to use on cattle, horses, domestic hogs. Small game doesn't give you enough calories to justify a 12 ga blast, weight, bulk either. A cottontail is 500 calories. a squirrel 400. a grouse 250 calories, a snow shoe hare 700 calories. A turkey is easily taken at longer range with a silenced .22lr conversion unit than with a shotgun. The thick feathers mean that you must aim birdshot at their-heads/necks. With a riot barrel, that means 25m or less. Buckshot wont extend that range much, either. A tight choke or Vang barrel just means that the shotgun has only 3" of pattern spread at 10m, so you'll still have to aim it as you would a rifle. So how is that a help?
So forget the shotgun, or the rifle/shotgun combo guns, or the muzzleloaders. Get the Mini-14 and .22lr "how to make a silencer" books from Amazon. a day-night scope, nvd goggle, and have a EFFECTIVE setup for shtf. The Mini14 is a crap basis for a silencer. The info, tho, is easily extrapolated to make a can for the AR-15. The mini-14 book is long out of print and even when it was in print., people were asking ridiculous prices for it, as in over $1000. I've never understood how they could be thinking that, and I wrote those books. I also wrote the .45 book.
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