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  • #16
    don't try it. if you "totally neglect it", it will rust up and be ruined, just like anything else made of steel. Minimal maintenance must be done, on anything that will corrode. It needs a minimal amount of removal of debris and fouling and also lubrication. Go to any AK forum, and look at all the guys having problems with this or that. It's fallible, just like anything else that's steel and has moving parts.

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    • #17
      I went to a funeral about six years back and after he was lowered into the ground we drifted over to a guy's car and he pulls out a SKS and I bought it and came home. Looked like it had been living hard and I was scrubbing the barrel and to the naked eye bore looked good then I ran the Olympus Series 5 borescope down the bore and even though it was chromed it was pitted to h&G.

      I found a home for it fairly quickly. Just because it has a chrome bore doesn't mean it won't go South like everything else.
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      • #18
        I have AR rifles in two calibers. 6.8 s.p.c. and 5.56.
        I've harvested whitetail deer with the 6.8 s.p.c. 90 grain soft points.
        Dead right there. It's a shame ammo is near or more than a buck a round!
        I miss my AK's and wish I had 'nuther one.
        Better make it a point to scrounge up one.
        The AK was made for people basically illiterate and see no more sense in cleaning
        a rifle than cleaning a garden hoe.
        I recall an article where the S.African military found AK's in a cave that had been there
        for decades.
        Rusted to heck. They poured motor oil all over 'em, inside the works, and fired
        'em full auto till the oil caught fire.

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        • #19
          I love the AK platform but the 5.45 round is way to light! The old AK-47 still is the best at both defense and hunting. 124 gram rounds tops the list!!!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
            I love the AK platform but the 5.45 round is way to light! The old AK-47 still is the best at both defense and hunting. 124 gram rounds tops the list!!!
            So why do we now have the 5.56 Nato round?

            Evidently it was adopted for good reasons.
            Too light?
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO

            Standard for bullet weight is grains, not grams.

            At least in the U.S.

            For hunting I do prefer a heavier bullet even for whitetail deer.
            Got my 8 point 20 minutes after opening season with a 45-70 Marlin 300 grain
            soft point at a mere 40 yards.
            Bang! Dead right there.
            Almost all 60 some deer were taken on by 15 acres.
            My place is surrounded by hundreds of acres of farm land.
            Ohio deer are big because of the amount of farm crops they eat.
            My biggest was 205 pounds hanging weight. Archery harvest.

            My home shtf rifle is a Ruger SR 556. (among others)
            I keep about a thousand rounds available.
            Rifles are legal now in Ohio but in certain calibers that don't include the 5.56.

            Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.

            Some of the above I personally feed too light for deer.
            .38 spl. .41 long colt, are two of 'em.

            The 50-110 would be awesome.

            Bullet Wt: 400gr BCFP
            Velocity: 2200fps
            I'll just suffer with my 45-70 300 grain loaded to Marlin potential.
            Bullet Weight: 300 grns Bullet: Hornady 4500 HP Bullet Diameter: 0.458"
            Powder: IMR 4198 Powder Weight: 52.9 grns Primer: Remington 9 1/2
            COL: 2.550" Muzzle Velocity: 2309 fps

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            • #21
              Sorry about that. The 5.56 NATO was forced on the military for two reasons.

              1. Cost of the weapons system for the original M-16 was $70.00 each. It replaced the M-14 a very similar weapons system from WW-II the M-1 rifle.

              2. Very accurate round at over 3,000 FPS so less cost to teach marksmanship to troops.

              So it all came down to C O S T!!!!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
                Sorry about that. The 5.56 NATO was forced on the military for two reasons.

                1. Cost of the weapons system for the original M-16 was $70.00 each. It replaced the M-14 a very similar weapons system from WW-II the M-1 rifle.

                2. Very accurate round at over 3,000 FPS so less cost to teach marksmanship to troops.

                So it all came down to C O S T!!!!
                Yes cost was the determining factor.
                Cheaper does not mean less effective for it's intended use.
                Rifles are cheaper and easier to produce and ammo is cheaper and a soldier can
                carry more easily.
                Most military members aren't gun savvy folks so it's far easier to train them with
                the 5.56 and the M-16.
                The round works, the rifle works.
                NATO must believe that.

                There is very little difference between the 5.56 NATO and the Russian 5.45 X 39.

                So what, pray tell, is the objection to the 5.56 Nato?????
                I have an AR in 5.56 and 7.62 X 51.
                5.56 mil spec ammo is cheaper and effective.

                I have an AR in 5.56 Nato and one in 7.62 X 41.

                Among several other rifles.


                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._NATO_firearms

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                • #23
                  Take any of your AR style rifle put it into salt water for 5 minutes then roll it into some nice beach sand now see how many rounds you get off before it stops (<30) Not with the AK. I've had mine fall into a mud filled hole picked it back up and was able to fire it with no problems for the rest of the day. The AK is just a more rugged system.

                  I was originally trained on the M-14 and when arriving in country I was handed a M-16 we called then Montel toy guns.

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                  • #24
                    I see the point about a rifle intended to go into combat when I must work
                    under the most awful conditions and used by people that may never have fired
                    a rifle before.
                    I'm no longer in a war zone so I'll take care of my ARs and I do trust them to work.
                    Frankly I deeply regret ever selling my AK civilian version.
                    Cheaper ammo, at least back then, and accurate enough and it always worked.
                    I'd shoot it, hand it in the garage without any attention at all.
                    A while later and repeat and NEVER a malfunction.
                    If I run into another priced right I'll grab it pronto.

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                    • #25
                      AKs are good rifles and they have a niche to fill in any shooter's arsenal. Mount a scope on them and you have a decent caliber rifle (X39 ammo) for medium size animals like deer and feral hogs. They are also reliable when other rifles will jam or fail to work. If I had only one choice for a survival rifle, I would take a good scoped AK in 7.62 X 39 caliber for my rifle without hesitation.

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                      • #26
                        My first military rifle was the M-14 that shoots 7.62x51 mm you can shoot offhand at 500 yards and if your any good you can hit a 9" pie plate. Then they gave us the Mattel toy called an AR-15. I was afraid I would break it saw many broken over the years. You just cannot abuse a weapons if its made out of plastic!

                        Shooting a 55 gram round is only going to piss off the enemy. Why do you think that cops and Special Ops people gave up on the 9 mm. It's too light and takes many rounds to put the enemy down.

                        Me even though I shoot expert with M-9, Glock, and S&W you still can only hit a target out to 50 yards but a shotgun with sabot can go out 200 yards. So give me a tricked out shotgun....

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                        • #27
                          i"ll bet you $100 per shot that you can't hit that 9" plate from offhand at 500 yds, with iron sights and GI 308 ammo. In fact, I'll give you 2 to one odds that you can't do so, with match ammo. I'll get rich and you'll be broke.

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                          • #28
                            you have to have a RIFLED bore for the saboted 12 ga slug to have any accuracy at such ranges, and the rifling means that pelleted loads won't be worth a hoot. The rifling will spin the shot-cup and centrifugal force will scatter the pattern. NOBODY shoots $1 a shot slugs well enough to be worth a hoot vs cover using men at 50m, much less 200m. People who stand around, in the open,when hostilities are extant, are too dumb to be much of a threat and you wont be hitting them with the 12 if they are moving. that 12 slug drops like a rock and drifts in the wind like a balloon at such ranges. If you misjudge the range or the wind by even a bit, you'll miss a head on prone man at that range, repeatedly, cause you'l have to aim 10 ft over him. That's all just bs talking

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                            • #29
                              I was on the verge of getting a AK variant in 5.56 in the 70s. Dealer had a couple at a gun show in Asheville, NC. Then for some reason no more were made. Never knew why but I have three 5.56 Mags for AK and nothing to use them in. Don't remember ever reading a post by someone that had one.`Anybody here got one?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hummer View Post
                                `Anybody here got one?
                                Hummer, I don't own any or have any friends that do either. As far as the platform I know that Arsenal builds an AK in 5.56 variant.

                                http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/milita...-5-56x45mm-ar/

                                or do you mean the Russian 5.45x39mm used in the AK-74?
                                I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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