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  • Tugaloo
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    I believe years ago carbine meant a shorter barrel. In the 1950s, the 336 had a 24" barrel and the 336C had a 20". However in today's world, they both have the same length barrel.


    Originally posted by shadowwalker View Post
    Now I wouldn't trade my sks for almost anything, it's a good straight shooter. But I do know one thing. If I can't reasonably shoot a weapon, I trade it out mucho pronto. Thats a problem waiting to happen.
    The SKS dates back to when ComBlock's doctrine leaned towards aimed fire instead of today's spray fire. Lightweight, fast handling, accurate and reliable; so what is not to like? (Except for today's prices, LOL)
    There are quite a few variations of SKS, Russian, Chinese, Czechoslovakia and others. Usually, the Chinese has a triangular bayonet and European versions have a blade bayonet.

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  • orangetom1999
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    For myself I prefer the SKS over the AK platforms....I prefer more accurate rifles....not rifles which shoot alot.

    If I want to shoot alot...I take my 12 Gauge pump and do it in a few rounds of 00 Buck.

    I just bought a Ruger Precision Rifle and am taking my time researching an affordable optic for it.

    As I said....I prefer accurate rifles.

    Like my 1903 Springfield over my M1 Garand and the M1 is a fine rifle...but it is not a 1903 Springfield and you can tell the difference.

    It is my way....

    Orangetom
    Not an Ishmaelite.

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  • Hummer
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    The first AK74 to arrive in country that Military Intelligence got hold of that was sent to the Army Materials Systems Analysis Agency at Aberdeen for evaluation from 100 to 800 meters I was selected to conduct the testing by AMSAA.

    We had Russian arsenal loaded 5.45 ammo (two 55 gal drums of it) and they wanted it tested on the weekends when no one else was down range so it was me, the AMSAA Analyst and my gun crew of 3. AMSAA did not want the world to know we had one and the analyst wrote the first report written on it was done four years later. Another was written by same analyst several years later. Both of which are still not released but a third one has been released you can get to by clicking on link in collage below:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...8hLfGoDFg/edit

    These are the photos made and given to me on Thanksgiving Day 82 when I was asked to come to the analysts (Weaver) home for Thanksgiving Dinner. He gave them to me and asked me to keep them close hold for a while and when I found out the third report had been released tot he public I figured it was time to put them out since everyone in the world has a AK74 that wants one. There were photos of the targets made before they were put into data and entered into the program that analyzes all targets of all systems so the data from every test is comparable. All data is generated on same range which is about five feet above sea level and the light conditions are the same. There is a typo in the collage above, it is actually a 1500 yard range and you will note it appears we are way down range which we were so we would be out of sight.


    First thing I had to do was blacken the sights and the PO did not care for it and the sight finish had worn off and I blackened the sights and made front and rear sight hoods from gun tape to protect them during the testing. to save lots of typing you guys can download Weavers third analysis done a number of years later. I tried to trace him down and found his obituary. As you will see reading it his analysis gets pretty in depth and has direct comparisons to several other weapon systems data for comparison purposes.

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  • Sierra 173
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    For those of you who have not shot the M-14 rifle, understand that those rifles are one of the best rifles EVER made for all round service use. They are extremely accurate with novice shooters being able to repeatedly hit targets out to 750 meters with a little bit of training. In about 1970 the U.S. Army brought out the XM-21 sniper rifles which were upgraded and tuned up M-14 rifles. These M-14 variants would eventually become the M-21 sniper rifle system and would, with a trained shooter, match grade ammo and a decent scope, deliver 1,000 meter silhouette shots about 9 out of 10 times.

    The thing about the AK vs. the SKS is that the AK has a side mount system that lets you add and remove a telescopic sight when you want. When the sight is in place, your magazine change does not effect the sight nor does the sight cause a problem loading the rifle. With the SKS there are a couple of sighting system issues when using telescopic sights. With the real early models, the Russians had a scope system that moved forward and backwards so that ammo could be loaded into the magazine. I only saw one of those in Viet Nam and the guy who had it was taking it home with him as a souvenir. There was another variant where the scope flips off to the side so that the shooter can load ammo into the magazine and then move the scope over the centerline of the carbine. A third variant is an offset scope, just a little to the left of the bolt, so that the line of sight is pretty close to the bullet's flight path.

    While I was in Viet Nam the majority of the communist snipers used old Mosin-Nagant bolt action rifles with scopes mounted on them. We did, however, capture one SKS that had half of a binocular mounted, crudely mounted, on it. The shooter had etched a crosshair in the front glass of the binocular to use for his shooting purposes. His make-shift sniper rifle worked well enough from zero to about 300 meters or so.

    The thing about the SKS is that you are not under-equipped when you have one. They are decent carbines and they do tend to be a tad bit more accurate than the AK rifles. Both the AK rifles and the SKS carbines will serve you well so you can't go wrong with either of them. If I had to choose, I would pick an AK with a scope over a SKS just because I would get 20 extra rounds and reloading would be easier when using a scope.

    Attached is a photo of me and my sniper rifle over in Viet Nam that I used to kill a feral pig.

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  • reloader762
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    Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
    reloader 762 What is the accuracy at 100 yards?
    Don't really know as I don't have anywhere I can shoot that far around here safely. The local range which goes out to 300 yds. cost about 1K a year to join and there is a long waiting list the closes public range is about a 2 hr. drive. Several years ago when I was down at the public range I could easily hit clay targets off hand on the 100 yd. berm so I think it will do just fine for anything in the area I live.

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  • RICHFL
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    reloader 762 What is the accuracy at 100 yards?

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  • reloader762
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    I've never owned a AK, I've shot a few but just didn't really like the recoil impulse from the bolt. I do own 3 different version of SKS rifles a YUGO M59/66A1, Chinese factory /26\ carbine and my newly acquired 1952r Russian black bolt refurb that had been sitting in a safe room for the past 18 years in the box.

    I handload for all my SKS rifles, mostly cast lead these days and find my reload much more accurate that most of the steel case offerings but there is some good steel case ammo out there if you find what your rifle likes. I think it also has to do with the condition of the SKS, all mine were basically new as they were either new in box or have gone through the refurb process.

    Here is one of the test targets I shot a few year ago testing various steel case ammo that I had settled on as being the best quality and it what I put back in my rainy day stash.

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  • RICHFL
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    As has been written by an very good expert on weapons >>>" American started going down hill when it changed from a round that kills the enemy to one that just pisses them off..." ! Enough said.

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  • Sierra 173
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    If you check deeply into how firearms are introduced into the American military systems, you'll find that politics and kickbacks often decide what comes into play, not common sense nor what the average soldiers want or need. The M-9 Beretta pistol is a prime example of politics causing a pistol to be adopted by our military services. What basically happened was that our people wanted to put some missiles in Italy. In order to put our missiles in Italy we had to adopt the Beretta pistol. For the Beretta pistol to be adopted, the M-9, they had to have a plant in the U.S. That was when Beretta built a plant in Maryland. Beretta gets awarded the government/military contract and we end up with missile sites in Italy.

    To appease U.S. gun contractors there were other pay-offs made to them in a quiet fashion. So this whole thing about firearms selection pretty much is a joke depending on which period in history you check on and research.

    But any way, the SKS will be slightly more accurate than the AK rifle. The AK rifles have better features for combat such as faster ammo reloading by using magazines instead of stripper clips, folding stocks on some of the AK rifles and so on.

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  • rhode
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    if you 'think: that the m16 or m4 cant hack it, its out of ignorance. all you have to do to see the truth is attend one of the 2x yearly machinegun shoots at knobCreek. :-) Besides, you are supposed to be mechanically smarter than the typical goatherd or ricegrower.

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  • Defcon090
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    Originally posted by Mortblanc View Post
    I sold truck loads of the Norinco SKS rifles back in the mid '90s for $89.95!

    If you want targets instead of talk here is what a box stock Chineese issue SKS with a cheap scope shooting Wolf HP is capable of at 100yards.

    By cheap I am talking about a $20 NCStar compact 4x. That is a 1.25 group. Most bolt guns will not do that right out of the box.

    Having owner both a VG SKS and a new AK, I will say accuracy is dependent on 3 things:

    1. Barrel condition. is it shoot out or like new? A bad barrel even in a Model 700 won't be accurate.
    2. Shooters steadiness.
    3. Ammo type and brand. This would require one to shoot quite a few rounds.

    Maybe another one: Recoil? Ability to aquire the target under rapid fire.

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  • mtnlioness
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    Oh Buggy you do crack me up. Love your approach!

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  • Buggyout
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    Originally posted by mtnlioness View Post
    Liberal approach.....we are unarmed and you are welcome to come on in and share all of our food and warmth with us. Is this diplomatic enough.

    Sorry......the days of lovely people skills will have long gone by this time. Shoot first, ask questions later.

    I used to be a really sweet person............times have changed an so has my aim. Ak first and on from there.
    I still believe there is goodness of humanity - even with all the evil in the world. I will greet you with with open arms and weapons slung!

    Having said that, my son is a trained sniper...he'll have you covered. Ha!

    - Buggy

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  • Buggyout
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    Originally posted by Mortblanc View Post
    If you are engaged in an altercation where you have emptied an SKS and the bad guys are still comming so fast that reloading time is an issue;

    1. Your tatics are WRONG. You work your tatics around your weapons, you do not decide what to do and then expect your weapons to do the impossible. If you do not have cover they are going to shoot you while you reload no matter what weapon you have. If you have cover a half second additional reload time is not a factor.

    2. You should have brought more help.

    3. You should not have pi$$ed that many people off at one time. You need to start working on your people skills.

    4. See signature at bottom.
    Bahahahaha! Nicely played.

    - Buggy

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  • mtnlioness
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    Liberal approach.....we are unarmed and you are welcome to come on in and share all of our food and warmth with us. Is this diplomatic enough.

    Sorry......the days of lovely people skills will have long gone by this time. Shoot first, ask questions later.

    I used to be a really sweet person............times have changed an so has my aim. Ak first and on from there.

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