100 yard weapon

[Bayou Blaster]

boggy boy i am truly sorry i did not mean to come off the wrong way i just don not like the remington i would rather have a savage first no offense please i'm sure a remington is good but here in sc mossberg has many more asscories but i guess it's all user choice heell i thought you was gonna have it out with me like we did over the high points heheheheh

No offense taken my friend. It's your personal choice and preference of firearms. While I might not agree I respect everyone here regardless of their choice of firearms. Not everyone will agree with me either. I just highlight things I've personally seen or witnessed for the benefit of other readers here. Helps us all to make better informed decisions. I also try and bring a common no non-sense approach to my post or responses. BTW while I'm not a Hi-point handgun fan, I won't fault the carbine version mechanically for what it is. I still don't think they serve well in an S&P senario. I won't get into that as I've written about it before. You'd be better served with an intermediate cartridge (.223/5.56 x 45 6.8 Rem, 7.62 X 39 etc). We are good my friend.

[prkchp76]

boggy boy i am truly sorry i did not mean to come off the wrong way i just don not like the remington i would rather have a savage first no offense please i'm sure a remington is good but here in sc mossberg has many more asscories but i guess it's all user choice heell i thought you was gonna have it out with me like we did over the high points heheheheh

[slowz1k]

Quote: " I always use a pair of needle-nose vise grips to keep the two receiver pins that need to be drilled out from spining."

Sorry for the late reply.... I just came to after smacking myself in the forehead for not thinking of this.
I know what you mean about the Dremel... But desperate times called for desperate measures... And I was getting desperate, especially since I was too stupid to realize your vise grip trick.
I already have the plugs for the holes, just haven't put them in yet... Dang! You have eyes like a hawk!

Thanks for the link. I've got a lot of reading to do on that site.

[Bayou Blaster]

Hey Slowz1k

Nice job on the conversion. I see you got your trigger guard from Carolina Shooters. I'm ordering one myself for my .308 as well. You can get plugs to cover the drilled out pin holes from Carolina Shooters. I've had no problems yet with the S-12s I've converted that required polishing. However these are the areas that could if needed help smooth out your S-12:

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=50571

Look over this web page and the PDF file carefully and please remember you can easily remove metal, but it's harder many times impossible to replace. If you decide to do these procedures yourself please go slow. I've polished internals on other firearms with great sucess, but I've seen other people butcher their firearms as well. For future reference: I always use a pair of needle-nose vise grips to keep the two receiver pins that need to be drilled out from spining. I also flatten the heads of the rivits securing the trigger guard with a flat bastard file and then use a prick or center punch to help start drilling them out. You can also always try drilling them from the inside of the receiver where the rivits are flat. I avoid dremels, using them as a last resort. As always good luck and I hope this helps.

[slowz1k]

BB wrote: "If you decide to convert your Saiga to Pistol Grip configuration and have any questions/problems or need help in any way just let me know."

Hey Bayou Blaster!

Thanks for the offer, but I got that part covered already. The conversion went well except for drilling out the rivets for the extended FCG. They started spinning on me, and I had to go dremel on their butts.:cool:
I would like your opinion on what needs to be polished or deburred to bet this thing to run reliably for skeet and trap. It's a 3 port gun with all three ports showing clean and clear. I've heard stories of the dreaded "Vodka Specials", but I guess I got lucky and got one that was put together before the lunch break.

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The Parts:



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[Bayou Blaster]

avoid a MOSSBERG WHAT ARE YOU A REMINGTON HIPPECRIT damn i wish i could spell that word love the mossy it's like a good jeep generic and afforable never let me down and once you build it like you wanna be ruskie it'll last fer ever

Hey Prkchp76
Like I told Slowz1k, I'm really glad his Moss 500 works well for him and you, I even owned one in the past. As a journeyman gunsmith I've seen more than my fair share of broken and worn Mossberg 500s. I've seen the trigger mechanisms crack rear of the trigger guard, rendering the safety useless to also cause the firearm to inadvertently discharge. Cheap plastic trigger assembly, even Rem 870's plastic trigger assembly is more stout/better plastic. I've also seen the top safety selector wear/break. Additionally the mag tubes design does not facilate an extension tube. I've also found them to be more particular/finicky with a wider selection of ammo. While I don't doubt your happy with your Moss 500, I gave up on them some time ago. And yes I do own 2 Remington 870s an 1187 along with several older Winchesters an LC Smith side by side, a trench gun, my Saiga's etc.... If it works for you, again great, I just won't/can't trust one to run hardcore. Enjoy your Moss 500 and your shooting experiences.

[Survivorman]

Not to change the subject, but for short range have you thought about a good pistol caliber carbine? I have a Hi-point 9mm carbine that works extremely well at the range that you are talking about!!

I was thinking the same thing. I have one of those and a Storm. With the right scope I can get out to 150.

My 100 yard weapon is a Saiga also, but it's the 12 gauge model. (As all of the rifle guys roll their eyes and mumble "here he goes again").

You are able to get that far accurately?

[prkchp76]

avoid a MOSSBERG WHAT ARE YOU A REMINGTON HIPPECRIT damn i wish i could spell that word love the mossy it's like a good jeep generic and afforable never let me down and once you build it like you wanna be ruskie it'll last fer ever

[Bayou Blaster]

Hey Slowz1k

Hope your doing well. I'm NOT one to roll his eyes concerning your Saiga 12GA. With the exception of the 20 and 410 GA, I own every other model of the Saiga made. I'm in the process of ordering parts to convert another Saiga 12 GA to pistol grip configuration. Great shotgun BTW. Until then I'm in the process of building a new workbench. Got another .308 and .223 sitting with parts on hand waiting on me. If you decide to convert your Saiga to Pistol Grip configuration and have any questions/problems or need help in any way just let me know. The shotguns require a little more work with the FCG (Fire Control Group) sometimes. I'm really glad your Moose-Berg (I mean Mossberg) works well for you. I personally avoid them like the plaque. As always good luck and enjoy your firearms.

[slowz1k]

My 100 yard weapon is a Saiga also, but it's the 12 gauge model. (As all of the rifle guys roll their eyes and mumble "here he goes again")

Sorry to kick this horse again, but as many of you know, I'm a shotgun fanatic, especially for short range social work. Don't get me wrong, I love the accuracy and capacity of my AR, but the versatility of a 12 gauge is, in my mind, hard to beat.

The Saiga is a somewhat new addition to the family that demotes my trusty Moss500 to backup status. I'm in the process of adding a few trinkets to the Saiga. I'll post some pics when she's all dressed up for the ball.

[onix]

I just picked up a brand new saiga in7.62 for just a little more, and I haven't taken it out yet but so far I'm really happy. They also come 223 and 308

[kenno]

get a european SKS or a Siaga 7.62X39 for a 100 yard gun. ammo is cheaper than 30-30

[Red]

you can always go with a .308 lever gun if it is the lever action you are looking for... then you have a similar ammo type between a reach out and touch someone rifle and a 100 yard gun I have a Savage 99E in .308 and it is very accurate and very reliable... it does kick pretty good though...

[prkchp76]

hey here is a great idea a good slug gun sighted in at 125 should do oh wait i got one yea try that

[bambam55]

another underrated carbine is the Ruger 44 Mag. it's apretty flat shooter good for getting the bullet through nthe brush and hitting the target and it'll reach out about 100- 150 yds if u compansate for bullet drop if ur sighted in for about 50 yds up here in N.H. a good open shot for us in the woods hunting is about 30-40 yds so we sight in at about 50 yds and learn the old way of windage and elevation at the range