Sprinfield armory socom II

[neverknow]

looking to buy a Sprinfield armory socom II nevermind the price tag or i could buy this instead. Anybody ever deal with the rifles. Yes i know there is a rail on it. But is it reliable? and a good battle rifle?:confused:

[monet861]

I used to have one. I thought it was a bit heavy. The rails are cool(if you are into that), but you have to get covers for the bottom or you tear your hand apart. I have a BM-59 Para that I like quite a bit better. The SOCOM II is a good toy, but it is not very practical IMHO. I actually traded mine for a different toy(FNH PS90), that I have more fun with. The SOCOM is an SA so it is a good rifle, but the weight and rails were just a bit too much. I have humped up to 21 miles with a M60 and gear and long ago decided that weight is very important, but design needs to be considered too. This is why I do not go for too many accessories. Like the rails on the SOCOM II, that stuff all hurts. Of course this is all just my opinion.

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

The major problem with the SOCOM and SOCOM II, is the accuracy. While the standard M1A (M14) is an incredibly accurate rifle, the SOCOM family shoots 3" MOA at 100 yards. Meaning, at 300 yards it could be off 9"! That's a total miss. The reason for this is the short sight radius, but moreso, the front sight post is ridiculously thick. The reason Springfield made em this way, is 'cause the rifle was intended for close combat. If you still really wanna buy one AND want better accuracy, you could always purchase the standard M1A front sight post and have a gunsmith put it on.

[Gatesvilleguy]

I also have a BM 59 that is my weapon of choice.

[Red]

looking to buy a Sprinfield armory socom II nevermind the price tag or i could buy this instead. Anybody ever deal with the rifles. Yes i know there is a rail on it. But is it reliable? and a good battle rifle?:confused:

Just a couple of things I learned from experience about teh SA SOCOMs. I have a SOCON 16 and it truly is a good rifle. In a SHTF situation though I am grabbing the M1A Match gun for the sights. If I had it to do over again (buyniog the SOCOM) I would go instead with the Scout Squad Rifle. The SOCOM II that I have handled is very front heavy... I like the SOCOM 16 (the original) better. The black finish of the stock can chip and it is white underneath (a sharpie fixes it though). The muzzle brake works awesome for keeping the felt recoil down and the muzzle in clower proximity to target, but sends a spray of muzzle gasses and stuf out around you... be sure to keep people next to you back a little bit. And... this is the loudest damn gun in this caliber category I have ever fired! I mean it is LOUD! Be forewarned... do not fire this without good eyes and ear protection! I was an idiot the first year I had it and went deer hunting with it (I replaced my M1A Match gun with it) ... and damnit my ears are still ringing... I seriously and literally did permanent damage... I wear good ear protection at the range and so I grossly underestimated the sound of this thing... So just a few thoughts from my experience... bottom line is I would go witht eh Scout Squad and if it's the look you're after then go to Sage or Fulton Armory and look at the stocks you can get to make it look like the bad-ass that it is. Oh and if you buy it from Springfield or Fulton get a bunch of spare mags for it too... they're not cheap but the knock offs are a piss off.

As a final note if you live near Southern NH you are welcome to test fire my SOCOM 16.

Rick

[Diesel]

Great feedback/review Red good job!

[neverknow]

Thank you red this is the type of info i need. I keep hearing this thing is that loud i think i maybe looking in another direction.

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

I totally agree with Red. I'd go with the Scout or the standard if I had it to do over again. And the SOCOM is unbelievably loud, which I can get over, but the accuracy is the big thing for me. One thing I did neglect to mention is, besides changing the iron sights out, you could just put an optic on it and problem solved.

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

I found a really interesting article on making your Springfield more accurate:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/affordable_accuracy.htm

Haven't tried that David Tubbs stuff, but I believe I'm gonna. There are a lotta favorable reviews of it on Cabela's too.

[Rocking_H_Ranch1886]

I own a DSA SA58 Carbine, and I actually prefer it over my AR's. It has comparable weight, and size, but fires the 7.62 round. I go shooting with some uncle's in Southern AZ, who own M1A's (National Match), and the last time we went out, we had alot of surplus ammo. I mean alot! Unfortunately, the M1A's had a real hard time cycling the ammo, kept tearing the rim of the cases and leaving the case in the barrel. Or just would not cycle the ammo. Now granted it was some pretty dirty surplus ammo, and firing factory loaded ammo they did well. Long story, short. They left me have a crack at their surplus ammo, and shortly thereafter went and put away their rifles. The DSA SA58 ran thru the dirty surplus ammo without fail, over a four day camping trip, I fired Venezulan surplus, Bolivian surplus, some GI Surplus and a mix match of bottom of the bucket stuff. Somewhere after approx. 1600 rds the rifle was starting to get a little finicky, so I did a quick wipe down and a couple drops of oil and away I went again for the remainder of the weekend. Needless to say, nobody wants to shoot against the DSA SA58 at camp anymore. You want a battle rifle that will run, & run, & run, & run, & run some more, seriously take a look at the DSA SA58. Matter of fact, if you can make it out to their factory in Lake Barrington, ILL. they will let you test fire their rifles on their range.

The Springfield M1A is a superb rifle, well crafted and exceptionally accurate, otherwise they wouldnt bother at Camp Perry. But when it comes to a Battle Rifle, the DSA SA58 is the epitomie of a Battle Rifle. DSA's Rifle is built from the exact same blueprints as the original FN/FAL rifles, This rifle was adopted & used by every Free country in the World, except the USA. And is Known as " The Right Arm of the Free World", and that is quite a statement. Your Honor, I rest my case. :)

[monet861]

I have a SA58 that is one of my favorites to fire also. I picked mine up used about 8 yrs ago for $400. Wish I could have found a whole case at that price. I added a scope mount and scope along with a bipod that fits right into the handguard. It's an awesome rifle, very accurite and loads of fun.

[Rocking_H_Ranch1886]

Yeah, for that Price, I would buy a case of them. I seriously doubt that anyone can get one for that price now, however. Retail for one is about $1800.00

[neverknow]

Ok thanks for the info guys but do to ammo im going the ak 47

[Apocalyptic_Sojourner]

I've been thinking 'bout picking one up too just 'cause ammo's so cheap. While it might not have the long range accuracy, you could have fun for a lot longer @ five bucks a box.

[kentuckyshiner85]

so is the nat. match on the m1a not as loud as the socom right?