Mosin Nagants

[lailr]

What does everyone think about these? I thought I might get several and squirrel them away diffrent places. I have one, and like it.

[skeezit]

I have three of them love to shoot them, ammo is not hard to get .

[kenno]

Four years ago, when these rifles were $65.00 and ammo was priced like 22LR ammo they were a great buy if only as a hand-out rifle; like Stalin said "Quanity has a quality all it's own."
Anyway now they are over $100 and the blush has left the rose. They are not accurate by any definition of the term both the gun and ammo are no longer cheap. They are virtualy usless in Urban Terrain situations.
If I owned one I would sell it at an inflated price and get a Turkey Blaster, a 3.5 inch 12 ga magnum with an extra full choke. I am not an expert on this round but I think it would raise havoc out to 100 yards.

[beebopcop]

Four years ago, when these rifles were $65.00 and ammo was priced like 22LR ammo they were a great buy if only as a hand-out rifle; like Stalin said "Quanity has a quality all it's own."
Anyway now they are over $100 and the blush has left the rose. They are not accurate by any definition of the term both the gun and ammo are no longer cheap. They are virtualy usless in Urban Terrain situations.
If I owned one I would sell it at an inflated price and get a Turkey Blaster, a 3.5 inch 12 ga magnum with an extra full choke. I am not an expert on this round but I think it would raise havoc out to 100 yards.

You are the first person that I have ever heard say that a Nagant is not accurate. On the contrary, they are very accurate and are still used in some countries as sniper rifles. They are very hard hitting and are used in some northern states for hunting moose. I've owned three and have not been disappointed. I would highly recommend them as a hunting rifle and a long range rifle if that is what you could afford. At a $100 or so bucks a piece it is still a good buy and sniper ammo is still available for them is my understanding. Nothing personal kenno, but I got to disagree with you on this one.

[cwconnertx]

Got 5, haven't shot all, but the 2 I shot were just as accurate as my bolt action 30-06 (admitedly not top of the line) just over 1" group at 100 yards. Maybe better if I was in more practice at the time. I'll have to try again not that I have some more recent range time.

They also have an excellent bayonet range.

[lailr]

Four years ago, when these rifles were $65.00 and ammo was priced like 22LR ammo they were a great buy if only as a hand-out rifle; like Stalin said "Quanity has a quality all it's own."
Anyway now they are over $100 and the blush has left the rose. They are not accurate by any definition of the term both the gun and ammo are no longer cheap. They are virtualy usless in Urban Terrain situations.
If I owned one I would sell it at an inflated price and get a Turkey Blaster, a 3.5 inch 12 ga magnum with an extra full choke. I am not an expert on this round but I think it would raise havoc out to 100 yards.

Mines very accurate

[pathfinder3081]

I like mine as well. The tooling down the barrel was a little rough to the eye but after polishing it down (which was really not neccessary) I am totaly satisfied. I was able to shoot a tight group at 200m no problem. I like having two long arms each in different calibers, Especialy at the old "surplus prices". You never know what you are going to stumble along in a trade as far as ammo goes.

[JerryPt2]

had one, liked it well enough, but circumstances forced me to sell it, but i plan on getting another at some point as soon as i am out of college and can afford more than one rifle and one pistol...as far as accuracy it was excellent out to 120 yards, but thats as much room as we had to pace off, i dropped 5 deer in as many years with no problem, and the round is reliable and so's the weapon...just make sure that you get all of the cosmoline out if you buy it new..er, fresh out of the box

[cthulhufan]

You are the first person that I have ever heard say that a Nagant is not accurate. On the contrary, they are very accurate and are still used in some countries as sniper rifles. They are very hard hitting and are used in some northern states for hunting moose. I've owned three and have not been disappointed. I would highly recommend them as a hunting rifle and a long range rifle if that is what you could afford. At a $100 or so bucks a piece it is still a good buy and sniper ammo is still available for them is my understanding. Nothing personal kenno, but I got to disagree with you on this one.

Yeah, that's a first for me as well I know the Germans sure as hell didn't care for them when they were in the hands of the Russian snipers. These are very reliable, accurate shooters and, again, LPS spam cans are so cheap that you can shoot them for ~$.19 a round (that's the "light ball" stuff like my PSL-54C shoots). You can buy very good ammo for them as well still well under what I'm paying for my 30-06.

[cthulhufan]

And, as far as game is concerned, you can drop Polar Bear with the right round and shooter. Again, I only own a PSL-54C which uses LPS 54R, but if you have a Nagant you can shoot nice, heavy, 200+ grain accurately. That's 200+ grain of 30 caliber. Good round...

200+ grain 30 cal coming out of a bolt ~49" rifle that costs less than a fuggin' .22 LR? Yes, please, sign me up.

[lailr]

Like I said, I would like to have several "stashes" and the Mosin is the only rifle I know of affordable enough to have one rifle with every stash of supplies. Also if you can find enough, the Nagant revolver is affordable as well, that way you could have a sidearm too.

[kenno]

Yeah,,,a Nagat Revolver, more moving parts than a typewriter, less powerful than a 38 spl and ammo is almost,,ooops! can't find it listed anymore but it is spendy.

[lailr]

Yeah, but at 100$ I can afford it......can you hide $300-$550 in 5 diffrent places? And the Nagant will shoot .32's which while not the most common, are not impossible to stock up on or terribly expensive.....I have a heirloom .32 anyway, so I have a bunch of ammo....as for power, most cowboy relvolver were .32's or in that range.

[sharpshooter039]

I have several of them.I have 5 91/30's , 3 M44's and several other rebuilds from other countries,some are more accurate than others but all will take out a man sizesd target at 300yrds.great gun for you purpose ,IF it does get to the point you need to leave them and bug out your not out much,

[Oneofsix]

great rifles, had 6 at one time, now down to 2(picks of the litter)
And if you happen to have a C&R, most are still under $75. As said, great hunters and stash rifles

Now how about a little fun!


Written by Head of the old Headsbunker.com, also known as "Ezra Coli" on the various message boards.

There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant.
Stuff you know if you have an AK /Stuff you know if you have an AR /Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant

AK- It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
AR -You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
MN -It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

AK-You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
AR-You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
MN -You can hit the farm from two counties over.

AK -Cheap mags are fun to buy.
AR -Cheap mags melt.
MN -What's a mag?

AK -Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
AR -You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
MN -What's a safety?

AK-Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
AR-Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
MN -Your rifle has dog collars.

AK -Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
AR -Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
MN -Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK-You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
AR-You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
MN -You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK-When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
AR -When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
MN -When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK-Recoil is manageable, even fun.
AR -What's recoil?
MN -Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK -Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
AR -Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
MN -Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

AK -Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR -Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
MN -Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

AK -Your rifle won some revolutions.
AR-Your rifle won the Cold War.
MN -Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK -You paid $350.
AR -You paid $900.
MN -You paid $59.95.

AK-You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR-You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
MN -You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

AK-You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
AR-Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
MN -You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK-Service life, 50 years.
AR -Service life, 40 years.
MN -Service life, 100 years, and counting.

AK -It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
AR-You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
MN -You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.

AK-You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
AR-You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
MN -If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.

AK-You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
AR -You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
MN -You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

AK -After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
AR -After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
MN-After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

AK-After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
AR -After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
MN -After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.

AK-You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
AR-Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
MN -Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

AK-Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
AR -Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
MN -Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

AK-Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
AR-Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
MN -You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

AK-Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
AR -Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
MN -Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.

There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.