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    i recently bought this little sub-rifle, and just got a chance to shoot it this past weekend....it is now one of my favorite guns...small, lightweight, folds down even smaller, and best of all, it shoots .40, the same as my pistol, so i don't have to buy or carry 2 different types of ammo....this gun is dead nuts accurate, easy to maneuver, and easy to carry (it fits in my BOB, when it's folded).....i recommend this to anyone, matter of fact, check it out on the kel-tech website! another plus is, where as other rifle prices are skyrocketing, i picked this little beauty up for 350 bucks!! if anyone else has any feedback on this gun, let me know, just so i know what to look out for such as downsides, other than it doesn't have as long of a kill distance as the higher power rifles.
    if the kids are united, they will never be divided......

  • #2
    Kel Tec Sub 2000 and S&P not sure they go together?

    Not trying to start anything; just and opinion and some observations.

    Kel Tec’s Sub 2000 series of carbines are indeed popular with some in the survival/prepardness community. That being said I’ve never really understood the allure of using a pistol cartridge in a carbine. The performance gains don’t justify its application over a carbine utilizing a rifle cartridge. Performance gains are slightly better than marginal in my opinion. I’m also not a big fan of shooting carbines that close to my face that are made of composites/polymers. Old school I guess.

    Obviously standoff distances are much shorter utilizing a pistol cartridge, additionally the pistol cartridge is at a noticeable/distinct disadvantage suppressing rifle fire or when employed for hunting. Because the magazine is retained in the pistol grip and the mag well is not large; it becomes more difficult to swap out mags while retaining the firearm in the shooting position (especially during stressful situations).

    Kel Tec does offer the SU-16 series of carbines that do employ the 5.56/.223 rifle cartridge. Again, except for barrel, bolt and mechanism, the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact reinforced polymer. Unfortunately I have seen pics of these firearms where they have broken at the pivot point or after it exploded due to either a bad round or poor reloading; not a pretty sight. Conventional materials retain the explosive force of a cartridge better. When selecting a firearm with S&P applications in mind, I look for robustness.

    Affinity for this type of firearm may be misplaced in the S&P scenario.
    Last edited by Bayou Blaster; 03-19-2009, 10:29 AM.

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    • #3
      I rank Kel-Tek right up there with hi-point.....
      "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

      "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Big_Saw View Post
        I rank Kel-Tek right up there with hi-point.....
        Hey Big Saw not to get off thread, but did you see the link I posted to pics of the Hi-Point in the Hi-Point thread. Think you'll enjoy them.:)
        Last edited by Bayou Blaster; 03-19-2009, 11:42 AM.

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        • #5
          Congrats on your purchase combatcreep08.
          I'm not that familiar with the Kel-Tec rifle line, but I must say that is one funky looking firearm. When you were describing it in the original post, visions of Marlin Camp45's danced in my head.... Boy was I wrong.
          Sounds like a pretty good price for what you got. Keep us posted on how she behaves.
          The 12ga.... It's not just for rabbits anymore.

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          • #6
            naw bs i think it looks pretty good at least he did'nt waste his money on a pos glock then i woulda laughed at him with ya there right hahahaha
            the pack that plays together stays together

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            • #7
              Originally posted by prkchp76 View Post
              naw bs i think it looks pretty good at least he did'nt waste his money on a pos glock then i woulda laughed at him with ya there right hahahaha
              actually, i possess two g17s which have performed flawlessly in-country...but ruger is my brand of choice...
              "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

              "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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              • #8
                I've never had a problem with my keltec P32, but given the choice I'll take my glock or 1911 every time, but neither fits in my pocket well.

                I have to admit, even as a fan of my keltec pistol, (and glocks, sigs, and other polymer pistols) I'm not sure I can bring myself to warm up to the idea of a plastic rifle.

                Let us know how it works.
                My weapon can kill, it isn't limited to mere assault

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                • #9
                  well, i understand the disadvantages of a pistol cartridge in a carbine, but i have to admit, i do like this one. a max effective range of 150 -200 yards is enough to get out of a sticky situation, especially includig the very effective accuracy. no, it's no SKS, which i would love to have, but it's what was in my price range, and it shoots great! so no hard feelings. i got my money's worth, and in the unfortunate event that i go down, my wife is nearly as good of a shot with it as i am, and this gun's weight makes it easy for her to handle. (she can handle bigger guns, but not that great, and only for so long)
                  if the kids are united, they will never be divided......

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                  • #10
                    If it suits your purposes and your happy with it, that's what counts. Hope it holds up well for you. Eventually you may pick up that SKS or other firearm and pass the Kel Tec down to your spouse as her Bug Out gun.

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