AR15 platforms

[ryantx23]

I'll try to keep you guys informed. There was an article in Guns and Ammo magazine 2 or 3 months ago on the new 5.45X39 AR build that Smith and Wesson has built. It received solid reviews and would be a very cost effective way of stockpiling up a viable and cheap ammo/weapon supply. If any of you guys have questions, I'm all ears. If I cant answer it, I know someone who can or at least can point you in the right direction! Also, I have a good amount of websites bookmarked for cheap gear / weapons / ammo if anyone's interested.

[Diesel]

Really interesting stuff man, was not familiar with the 5.45X39 round at all, i'm going to look into it a bit more, also I was not familiar with the Galil or Golani, I'm going to research that as well. Sounds like you really enjoy your firearms, and have built up some good knowledge and had the opportunity to do some of your own testing. BTW that's one hell of a setup to be issued for free for work LOL :)

And don't worry about being new, all comments, feed back, ideas, tips, and questions are always welcome new, or veteran. Great write up, thanks

[ryantx23]

I know I’m new here, but if my input can help some of you out, I’ll definitely try to steer you in the right direction, so here we go…

This is just my personal opinion on AR platformed rifles.

I am issued a Colt LE 6920 at work with an EO-Tech holographic sight and a Surefire Millennium weapon mounted light. It's a good weapon, I've had no problems with it as far as functioning goes and we've put them through a pretty good torture test. It’s accurate and reliable, but most importantly free 

I also own an Entry Tactical Model Rock River and it has a Trijicon ACOG RCO-M4 with a YHM quad-rail and a Tango Down Battlegrip with Bipod. It’s an EXCELLENT weapon. My most favorite AR I've owned or fired by far. In my opinion Rock River's are off the shelf far superior to any of the other manufacturers I've shot due to their trigger, its REALLY nice. Most Rock River's come with their national match 2 stage trigger as standard equipment.

I also have 2 other AR-15 rifles. One Bushmaster M-4 and One Colt SP1 (Vietnam Era) with the triangle hand guard. The Bushy is a fine weapon indeed and I've owned it the longest out of all my AR's. Its trigger is a little rough around the edges when compared to the Rock River, but it’s only a single stage, not a national match 2 stage and there is no comparison.

The Colt SP1 is a nice conversation and history piece. I don’t shoot it regularly, but it does shoot well when I do.

I've also owned an Olympic and DPMS rifle. I sold the DPMS because I didn’t really like the way it shot. Not downing them, but I just wasn’t impressed enough to keep it. It functioned ok, just didn’t really like it. It wasn’t real accurate, but an accu-buffer would probably have helped. The Olympic I had was sold so I could buy the Rock River. It was a good shooting, basic AR. Nothing fancy, but definitely serviceable and reliable nonetheless. I bought it for a really good price too I might add and Oly's are really well made weapons. They just don't have the extra bells and whistles as some others do.

I've shot a CMMG too for what its worth. It was a gas piston rifle and it shot great. The CMMG also had a nice trigger and it shot MOA right out of the box. I looked it over really good and personally would like to own one. Just don’t have the money right now with all the other projects I've got going on!

I do have a nice Ruger Mini 14GB that I picked up for a good price and it’s a fun shooter and has been reliable so far. It’s not quite as accurate as the AR platform, but definitely good enough to put something / someone down if need be!

Also, for those interested, I have a Galil clone (Golani Sporter) which has a folding stock and nite sites. For those of you who aren’t familiar with the Galil, it’s an Israeli made weapon. To sum it up, the Galil features the reliable action of the AK and mated it with the accuracy of an AR. It’s a really nice rifle that I just picked up and I'm really looking forward to taking it out to the range!

Lastly, if I was going to put my life on the line, I'd trust any of the AR rifles I own. I'd most likely be using the Rock River as far as AR 15's go. That is unless I could get to my Armalite AR-10 first! I'd much rather be engaging someone with a .308 over .223 any day!

I can't speak for Charles Daly or Smith and Wesson's AR's, never shot or handled either. I hear that the S&W's are made by Stag and their quality is quite good, but that’s what some of my friends who own them say. I have however ordered a Smith and Wesson upper chambered in 5.45X39 already and I think is a very good alternative (mostly because I like to stockpile). 5.45X39 ammo was made for the AK74 and was the Soviet response to the American .223 and 1080 rounds of that surplus stuff can be had for less then $150 bucks and it’s plentiful. Its steel core, armor piercing and is pretty nasty stuff. The Afghans called it the "Poison Bullet" because it’s high lethality rate as the bullet tends to tumble like crazy when it hits flesh.

Just my .02 cents.

[snal]

I'll revive this a bit with my .02. I've owned RRA/Bushy/DPMS/ and CMMG...I actually have 2 Spikes pistol marked lowers on the way that were ordered BEFORE the price increase but suffer from the current backorder delema.
I love the RRA and Bushy...and I rate the CMMG right up there with them. Something, I don't know what, didn't impress me about the DPMS. It ran fine, but something just kept giving me the "cheap" feel...only had it 2 weeks before I sold it.
I went mini 14 a few months back, got several of those, but I just didn't feel complete without at least one AR, so I picked up the CMMG, bought an extra CMMG lower, and have the Spikes on order. Already found 2 cheap 7.5" and 10" uppers for the pistols, but I have a feeling that an AR pistol jst isn't gonna be my cup of tea...still...I gotta try em.
Ruger popped up on 11-04-08 and started offering 20 round mini 14 mags to the public, even discounted them by $10 each...I ordered 10...got an email the next day saying they were backordered, but got them 4 days later. (They are still on sale by the way!)
So...with the S/A .223 base covered...I started picking up .223 bolt guns...a Ruger compact M77 (love it!) and a couple of Savages.

[beebopcop]

Agree Completely

[Rustyshakelford]

Rusty I guess you know that having common since can be very depressing.

Thing is, nobody seems to be able to reign in our government. It is a big bloated pig that only has its own growth in mind. They spend money on idiocy, give money to non-producers, and actually perpetuate laziness in society. Social Engineering at its worst.

[beebopcop]

Rusty I guess you know that having common since can be very depressing.

[Rustyshakelford]

I'm sure the contract will go to China, paid for with depleted tax payer dollars.\

Oh no. You gotta understand how the government thinks on such matters. The ping pong balls will be made in Tel-Aviv, with plastics from Taiwan. It will be written into the contract. To make it fair to the Muslims, the trigger mechanism will be made in Lebanon, shipped to India and then installed in the frame. The frame will be made in Turkey, and the spring mechanism will be made in Germany. All of the parts will then be imported into West Virginia, and assmbled by undereducated hillbilly's who are paid $43.00 an hour, again per contract. This taking a $15.00 piece of junk and turning it into a $2900.00 piece of junk. I used to work for a company that did the shipping for a certain military contracted airplane. Every piece of the plane was made somewhere else, often times based on political alliances and whom the dicator-de-jour was that week. A lot of the crap was being made in turd world countries, by slave labour and had a 70% or greater rejection rate due to poor craftsmanship or substandard materials. Any of this stuff could have been made in the US, and a lot of it could have been made by small mom and pop operations using milling machines in their garages. There were some of the more standard parts that actually were made like that. Screws, metal pieces, etc. They were usually made by one guy and a helper out of either a small shop or a garage somewhere. The could provide the materials at a fraction of the price, help make America strong, and would keep the money in the local economy. The government does not like to to business like that though. They prefer to use far off people and places.

Would it not be easier to use a local guy? If you started getting poor quality, you could show up at the shop and inspect the process or have a talk with the owner, who was most likely the same guy who was milling or making the product.

Guess I am too simple minded.

[kenno]

I'm sure the contract will go to China, paid for with depleted tax payer dollars.\

[beebopcop]

Lord help us all

[Rustyshakelford]

I'm waiting for them to issue me my spear

Make sure it comes with a trigger lock!!

[beebopcop]

I'm waiting for them to issue me my spear

[Rustyshakelford]

Soooo, anyhow. How about the new Obama weapons platform? I wonder who will get the contract, Hasbro, or Toys R Us. I hear it is available in semi, 3 round burst or full auto select fire. I can hear the terrorists shaking in their Sari's as we speak!!

[Diesel]

I contacted him about it immediately and it's improper to call you that in public. It is being addressed.. no worries. We will sort this out. No need to leave, you are certainly welcome here.

[Diesel]

and that's great! Everyone will and does have different opinions, we can learn from each other, educate each other, and value or not value other's opinions. Debates and discussions are great!! I just like to head off heated discussions is all! :)

Carry on