We aren't the only ones.

[shootertutor]

I'm w/ ya.
R

We'll get a hole bunch of deputees.

[Big_Saw]

This is actually one of the things we discussed in our breifing this weekend......

ALL of my COs are heavily against accepting ANY funds from Uncle Sam for the purpose of carrying out this type of scenario, and we've let the firm know, as well, that they will be heavily undermanned, should it become any kind of debate.

[Rustyshakelford]

That's the question and the problem. There is nothing that can be done at this juncture. It is too late. And like you said, we did it too ourselves. All we can do is try and manage the fallout. If you were to try and stop this ball from rolling at some point you would be labled a terrorist.

Kind of a messed up deal isn't it?

[OneBadPig]

I want to be Sheriff...and then deputize every freedom loving gun owner in the county.

[ryantx23]

Rusty,

I understand what you're saying, but there are lots of other things I can do without giving up my retirement. I hold other certifications and can very easily transfer back over to the FD where things like that couldnt be asked of me. Besides that, I have my own business on the side and if need be could get by with that alone. Just like Beebop, its a matter of principle to me....

[beebopcop]

Not saying you are dishonest, but when they threaten to keep that fat government pension, and you are forced to kiss your career goodbye, I would say you would re-evalute your stance on that.

I know that you are talking to ryan here, but I gotta say that my mind is made up. I'm not worried about a pension or a job. I can do many other things besides being a cop. There are still some people out here with principles and that are prepared to stick to them. I believe that you are a man of principle, and will have no problem sticking to them yourself.

[beebopcop]

Yeah, but whats anyone gonna do about it. It is our lot in life. We vote the same group of totalitarians in every 2,4 and 6 years. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. At least we can fly our flag high.

That's the question and the problem. There is nothing that can be done at this juncture. It is too late. And like you said, we did it too ourselves. All we can do is try and manage the fallout. If you were to try and stop this ball from rolling at some point you would be labled a terrorist.

[Rustyshakelford]

I've said this many times... Even being an LEO... If I am EVER ordered to go kick doors and take away people's means of defense, its an order that I can not and will not follow. Its just not going to happen, period! The thought of this kind stuff happening makes a person feel like they were punched in the stomach and kicked in the nuts at the same time... I'm with ya Beebop. Rusty, I can certainly understand what you're saying as well. Does anyone else feel like we're in a sinking ship, circling the drain?

Not saying you are dishonest, but when they threaten to keep that fat government pension, and you are forced to kiss your career goodbye, I would say you would re-evalute your stance on that.

[ryantx23]

I've said this many times... Even being an LEO... If I am EVER ordered to go kick doors and take away people's means of defense, its an order that I can not and will not follow. Its just not going to happen, period! The thought of this kind stuff happening makes a person feel like they were punched in the stomach and kicked in the nuts at the same time... I'm with ya Beebop. Rusty, I can certainly understand what you're saying as well. Does anyone else feel like we're in a sinking ship, circling the drain?

[Rustyshakelford]

I am familiar with it and I understand it. However, there are a lot of sheeple in law enforcement and the military. History, no doubt, will repeat itself.

Yeah, but whats anyone gonna do about it. It is our lot in life. We vote the same group of totalitarians in every 2,4 and 6 years. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. At least we can fly our flag high.

[beebopcop]

Nurenburg defense. Read up on it. Following orders is not a defence.

I am familiar with it and I understand it. However, there are a lot of sheeple in law enforcement and the military. History, no doubt, will repeat itself.

[Rustyshakelford]

There are no doubt officers and soldiers out there that will do what they are ordered to do regardless if it is contitutional or not. I have a good friend that is a state trooper and he has already said that he would do what he is told to do. I can't argue with you about why you left police work. It definitley make you cynical of people. I also believe that there is going to be a requirement for police officers to register all their guns eventually. It's too big of a loophole, the powers that be are bound to catch it.

Nurenburg defense. Read up on it. Following orders is not a defence.

[beebopcop]

Yeah, but think about the NYPD. Do you think the local cops there care? Why should they. They are allowed their rights. You know, it's good to be the king.

It is one of the reasons I left Law Enforcement. That, and the money sucked, it was boring, and you never got to see the good in people, only the bad.

There are no doubt officers and soldiers out there that will do what they are ordered to do regardless if it is contitutional or not. I have a good friend that is a state trooper and he has already said that he would do what he is told to do. I can't argue with you about why you left police work. It definitley make you cynical of people. I also believe that there is going to be a requirement for police officers to register all their guns eventually. It's too big of a loophole, the powers that be are bound to catch it.

[Rustyshakelford]

That my friend is not going to happen. I will be unemployed first. My chief is a serious hunter and gun advocate and he would not expect me to do this, so I guess we would both be out of a job. Let me add that if this sort of thing starts to be discussed at my PD this forum will get a quick heads up.

Yeah, but think about the NYPD. Do you think the local cops there care? Why should they. They are allowed their rights. You know, it's good to be the king.

It is one of the reasons I left Law Enforcement. That, and the money sucked, it was boring, and you never got to see the good in people, only the bad.

[beebopcop]

Just think. You will get to be one of the few to go out, kick in people's doors and take their only means of defence from them.

That my friend is not going to happen. I will be unemployed first. My chief is a serious hunter and gun advocate and he would not expect me to do this, so I guess we would both be out of a job. Let me add that if this sort of thing starts to be discussed at my PD this forum will get a quick heads up.