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    Last edited by bug_out; 12-16-2008, 09:35 PM.
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    "The founding fathers made the right to bear arms the second amendment for a reason. It's the one that protects all your other freedoms, which aren't worth the parchment they're printed on if you don't have the means to defend them." Penn Jillette

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • #2
    Yeah it's one thing to know how to shoot but you must know how to repair and even load ammo..

    and yes storage is super important...

    2 things will be of trading value when the SHTF

    Food and Ammo
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    • #3
      Survival Armory Guidelines

      Dear Bug_Out,

      These are all great guidelines. Shotguns and shotgun rounds, both small pellet and double-ought buck slugs, would be in order too, both to hunt game and for home defense.

      Supplying weapons that need cartridges would also require powder and reloading machines, and a knowledge of making powder and of reloading would be a big plus.

      There's something also to be said also for blackpowder rifles or handguns and hunting grade air rifles, not to mention weapons that aren't even firearms, such as crossbows, bows and arrows, slingshots, dart weapons, spears, atlatls, bolas, etc.
      "Apocalypse is by no means inevitable." --Jim Rice.

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      • #4
        Survival Armory Guidelines

        Dear Bug_Out,

        Oh, I forgot: Anything that fires a bullet or slug would need casting equipment, a supply of lead to make bullets, and heat sufficient to smelt lead.

        Shot pellets are usually made in a huge drop-forge and something like that isn't practical for most of us to keep. :D But if you could purchase large supplies of shot pellets or even make mass quantities of tiny tumbled stones with a jewelry tumbler, that could provide for shotgun needs.

        Blacksmithing skills and tools would be needed for long-term survival, to make not only spare weapons parts, but spare parts for any tool or utinsil.

        A veritable mini-factory/arsenal would be the ideal for a community of people seeking to survive in "interesting times." The people who can pull it off are practically assured a good living.
        "Apocalypse is by no means inevitable." --Jim Rice.

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        • #5
          Have the air rifle, serious ones.

          Been wanting to get compound bows for awhile now, amazingly overlooked for it's stopping and deadly power, not to mention silent.
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          • #6
            Well I have this one

            http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=67



            I liked it because of the FPS and that it came with a scope.

            Since I bought it, it looks like they came out with a ton of other cool models including a silenced one.

            Reason I like the air rifle is you can take it anywhere, it's legal, can takle down small game, ammo is widely available and DIRT cheap for a large amount of it, you could store thousands of rounds in a small place etc etc.

            I have all kinds of lead shot, plus some gold plated supersonic rounds that actually crack int he air when you fire them.

            Ony thing is i'd like a .22 air rifle also, instead of just this .177 rifle.

            I'd be happy to talk more about this with you guys, let me know your questions


            Check this one out too
            http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=259
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            • #7
              Having hunted with a shotgun for years (dove, quail, etc.) I can pretty much guarantee you that the EFFORT to feed yourself versus the calories is a loser. Take your money and buy a 30-06 rifle and learn how to hunt large game. That means a shot that kills in minutes and don't take all day to track down only to find the carcass beginning to deompose.

              Then learn how to trap small game and net fish. MUCH more efficient means of providing protein in a survival.

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              • #8
                there are MANY scenarios where big game is not available AT ALL, and also being stealthy and not alerting people to you location is also a concern, that's where air rifles come into play
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Diesel View Post
                  there are MANY scenarios where big game is not available AT ALL, and also being stealthy and not alerting people to you location is also a concern, that's where air rifles come into play
                  Yes, you are absolutely correct. My point is that hunting fowl with a shotgun is not a survival winner in the long term. Having never hunted with an air rifle I cannot speak to their efficacy. Subsonic ammo would be an appeal though. Not to mention cheaper than rifles/bullets.

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                  • #10
                    Survival Armory Guidelines

                    Dear Das,

                    You are correct about shotguns. Shotguns are best used for home defense or defense in a densely planted area like a woods or a jungle, especially if the shells use high-gauge small pellets for hitting either multiple targets or a single wildly moving target.

                    Shotguns were especially used in the war in Southeast Asia, since the VC hid in jungles and U.S. forces needed something that could hit their enemy when they couldn't see the enemy through leaves and trees.

                    For hunting, the rifle or the bow is best. The last I heard, the U.S. Air Force issued AR-7 .22 caliber survival rifles for hunting smaller game. The advantage of this rifle is that the barrel, action, and clip all can fit in the plastic, floating stock.

                    For larger game, a .30-06 or .30-30 would make excellent choices. The M-1 Garand uses .30-06 and Winchester lever-actions typically come in .30-30.

                    The Best of The Backwoodsman Magazine Volumes 1 and 2 and Primitive Archer Magazine both are good sources for plans on making bows, crossbows, arrows, arrowheads, and quivers.
                    "Apocalypse is by no means inevitable." --Jim Rice.

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                    • #11
                      Here is what I have

                      1. FN/FAL and 300 rounds of ammo in long term storage battle packs. Will last longer then my life expectancy if they remain sealed.
                      2. Saiga 7.62 x 39 (It is a genuine Russian built AK with a hollow water proof plastic stock) with 1000 rounds in South African battle packs. Same style as the 308 above.
                      3. M-1 Carbine with 250 rounds. Korean battle packs again long term storage. The kiddo is quite a shooter with this.
                      4. A Schmidt-Rubin in 7.5 x 55. Probably the finest bolt action rifle ever made, and can be purchased for less then $200.00. Ammo is a problem if you do not load your own.
                      5. A Western Fields .410 pump with 200 rounds.
                      6. Numerous 12 guages in different configs. Probably 2000 rounds of ammo in one flavor or another.
                      7. Browning HP with 1000 rounds of 9mm in Russian Battle packs. Long term storage.
                      8. S&W Model 686 with 500 rounds of .38 handloads.
                      9. A Bauer takedown survival rifle. .22 over, and .410 under. Fits in a backpack. 5000 rounds of .22's
                      10. Old generic scoped .22. No name pre 1964.

                      A decent machette, a bayonet for the M-1 and a decent multi-tool

                      I have lee handy loaders for 308, 30 Carbine and 7.62 x 39, plus lots of powder, primers, and projectiles, plus lots (and I do mean lots) of empty cases.

                      An RCBS rock chucker press, dies for all calibres I have and the knowlege to load for each. I do not load for the shotguns though. Maybe I should start.

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                      • #12
                        Food And Ammo?

                        Originally posted by Diesel View Post
                        Yeah it's one thing to know how to shoot but you must know how to repair and even load ammo..

                        and yes storage is super important...

                        2 things will be of trading value when the SHTF

                        Food and Ammo
                        Thus far my plan has been to not trade or sell ammo. It would really be disappointing to have it used against you, or your group.
                        MD3C
                        USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MD3C View Post
                          Thus far my plan has been to not trade or sell ammo. It would really be disappointing to have it used against you, or your group.
                          MD3C
                          yeah that's a really good point! BUT.. what if they REALLY had something you needed? And they only wanted ammo?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Diesel View Post
                            yeah that's a really good point! BUT.. what if they REALLY had something you needed? And they only wanted ammo?

                            Hmm....I have a firearm, and ammo, and they have something I REALLY needed? Hmm......I would really have to think about what they had that I needed, becoming something that is now mine.

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                            • #15
                              Compound bows are a great call don't know why I didn't think of that earlier since I have two. I have an older PSE that I've used for about 10 years, time to upgrade. I also have a handmade recurve bow but no arrows for it, a native american guy I know made it for me and told me how to make the arrows myself but I tried and they sucked so it just rests against my gun case now. Bow hunting requires more skill than hunting with a rifle tho so you should weigh the pros and cons out. You have to practice, often, or you wont hit anything further than 20 yards from you, and 20 yards will be hard unless you are a natural. Plus you need to learn to get close to whatever you want to hit. Then you have to learn how to track game, I've never seen an animal hit with an arrow drop dead. I only know a few things about tracking but I'll let you in on them, do some research and I'm sure you'll find more than I can think of off the top of my head. Blood with bubbles means you hit the lungs, animals tend to run downhill and/or toward water when hit and look for rocks or other solid things on the ground with their dark side up because something must have gone by and overturned it recently.
                              Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
                              ~ Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.-Ovid

                              Mus uni non fidit antro.
                              ~ A mouse does not rely on just one hole.-Plautus

                              Non semper erit aestas
                              ~ It will not always be summer.

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