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  • RICHFL
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    I for one have never understand how any one would carry a .380 in a compact with a total of 8 rounds!!!!! The round is too light, and you will have too few rounds to do a good job.

    Carry does not mean you have to wear a coat, when it's 80 degrees outside. What you need to do is misdirect the eyes to an area of the body away from the weapon. Bright colors work on the shirt, and so does colors that blend together.

    This means you do not carry it in a shoulder harness. Your belt should blend in color wise with your pants. The same goes for your holster.

    As for sitting in a car with a strapped on weapon. Never. I have a holster placed on the left side of the drivers seat. No one can get at it but the driver, keeping it safe. Plus the weight is off the belt. Plus I shot expert with either hand. If you don't start working it at the range.

    My EDC is a belly pack I wear most places, inside I can carry 2/4 magazines, and my weapon on my hip.

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  • Hummer
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    Well in that case send money!! ! ! ! haha Glad you enjoy them.

    I just tried to send you a PM and it bounced. PM me with your phone number. Lets talk and start the new year off with a bang haha.
    Last edited by Hummer; 01-01-2018, 05:40 PM.

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  • Buggyout
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    Hummer! Your posts are like Saturday morning cartoons for me! Haha! THANKS!

    -Buggy

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  • Hummer
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    After long thought and seeing mass shootings, jerks running down pedestrians etc, or some jerk hold up in a hotel 10 stories up shooting into crowds , a handgun is just not going to cut it to put a stop to such assaults. CIP that Texas church was only stopped by one of our types with a rifle. He might could have done it with a handgun but the odds would have been against him and as it was he had for lack of a better description "equal status" also having an AR. Thus I carry a rifle in the back of my car locally and on trips. Up until now it has been a AR shorty 16" barrel but unfortunately an AR has it's highest lethality in the first 95 yards and unless you have a scope the sight radius on the short barrel variants goes against you especially after the age of at little as 35 as those of us with HMS can't focus on the front sight well enough to get a good sight picture. Then if you have a rifle with a scope at close distances is a handicap as well and even worse in low light conditions. Thus you need to have dual sighting capability with really fast iron sight acquisition capability.

    For the rest of you senior citizens HMS is a new acronym I thought up that covers all our problems. HMS= High Mileage Syndrome.

    Thus to be really effective should an exceptionally bad situation develop you need to have the ability to engage targets at much longer ranges with a high probability of delivering what is needed when it is needed and in an ideal world ONE SHOT DELIVERED TO THE THORACIC CAVITY. Per Col Martin Fackler MD Commander of the Army Wound Ballistic's Lab before he retired was very clear that the 5.56 does not develop the terminal wound ballistics to accomplish the above and he determined through exhaustive testing that 95 yards was the transition point.

    I remember seeing a clip of this guy in Iraq being put up to taking on a Marine Rifle Squad with a RPG by some news reporters. It was stated the Marines were about two hundred yards away clearing houses coming his way. So this guy walks out and assumes a kneeling position and shoulders the RPG and starts to aim and immediately I could tell he was being 5.56 rounds from the Marines. He just shook a little bit kind of like he coughed. He took three shots in lower body and he turned his head and looked at the film crew with a puzzled look on his face. At that moment he took one in the cranial vault and he rolled backwards dead. So he was on the next flight out with 77 virgins waiting for him. Had the Marines had M14s or M60 any of the first three shots would have stopped him.

    My first thought was to get a left hand Ruger Scout in 308 but I have to sell a couple pieces in order to get there. I like the idea of having a dual sight system and a see through base rings should allow utilization of the iron sights and a scope. I wish it were available in 260 Rem but alas it is not. I realize it is available in 6.5 Creedmoor but I am already set up to reload 260 and I have plenty of 308 brass to form it from. So at this point I have my sights set for 308 as it will give a longer barrel life. The 6.5 is a excellent long range flat shooting bullet but they eat barrels for breakfast! ! ! ! A 308 barrel should hold up about 5000 rounds if you do proper maintenance and hardened carbon residue doesn't take out your barrel prematurely.

    In the last few days I have been working on a Sears 73 (a Mod 70 Winchester w/ shades on) in 30.06 I picked up about 18 months back at a flea market for like 225.00. Stock has some dings but bore is perfect. First I pulled it down and did a trigger job on it so it breaks at about 2 1/2 lbs and will take rapid fire without sear off. Next I free floated the forearm to give about 1/8" barrel clearance all the way to front and bedded it with Marinetex.

    I also remounted the sling hardware to the right side of the buttstock (I shoot rifles from the left shoulder) and installed MILSPEC Uncle Mikes 1 1/4" sling swivels and is equipped with a M1 cotton sling. I also chopped 1.5" off the buttstock and mounted a non slip buttplate. I can now carry the rifle through thick undergrowth muzzle down on my right shoulder and it won't get hung on overhead limbs etc. This sling is for now, I have other plans (see below).

    The DCM issued hundreds of thousands of rounds of 30.06 Match at Camp Perry in 1979 time frame and I knew that was the last that would ever be seen as I knew DoD was going down to war reserves which means it will never be issued as long as there is a 30.06 in the inventory.
    The only problem for most guys was they had all converted to 308 (M1As, M1s, etc) and no one really wanted it except me. In our hut there was about 30,000 rounds going back to New Jersey. Some of my shooting friends had a bunch to take back to NY state and didn't know what they were going to do with it so I asked them if they wanted a home for it and we worked out a very good trade plan and I left Camp Perry with a lifetime supply. I got what I wanted and they got what they wanted on their terms which was a deal I could not refuse.

    Then about five years ago I hit on a combo of how to make the 30.06 Match round even more accurate and it was amazing how much I was able to reduce the group sizes. Here is how I did it:

    1. pulled the 173 gr bullets with a RCBS collet puller after seating the bullets about .015 deeper to break the waterproof seal at the mouth. If the seal is not broken it will be hard to pull the bullets so alll you to is to just move the bullet to break the seal. I then dumped the propellant in a container and ran a bronze 30 cal brush with a little Eds Red in the necks to remove the waterproofing. I soaked the bullets in solvent (ZEP 505 I got at Home Depot) to remove the waterproofing that stuck to the bullets which make them look like brand new Sierra MKs ! ! ! !

    2. Resized the necks with a neck die.

    3. Put the dumped propellant back in powder measure and reduced the load from 46 gr. (4895) to 43.3 Gr. with each charge weighed. Do not go below published load data which is around 42 grains I think. Below 42 grains you can and will get spike charges which can have undesirable side effects ! ! ! ! haha. I have shot thousands of rounds of 43.3 in multiple bolt guns with excellent results. I am not sure if this load will cycle the action of M1 Garand but won't hurt to try.

    4. I inspect the bullet bases and segregate them into 200 yard and 300 yard loads and the accuracy is really much better.

    What the above does is uniform the bullet pull forces as uniformity in bullet release is the key to long range accuracy. Also I only run the bullets with the most uniform base forming. I save my 190 gr match bullets to 600 yards and beyond.

    Then a couple months ago on ebay a guy was wanting to dump some AIMTECH bases at about 75% off and I got all five of them. Two were for Mod 70 Win. and that spawned a plan.

    I mounted an AIMTECH base and tried to mount a scope and the rear sight got in the way so I had to remove it. I can see the front sight perfectly through the AIMTECH base and I will just have to determine what the point blank range is and drift the front sight to where it needs to go for windage. AIMTECH advertises that just seeing the target at closer ranges is close enough to obtain reliable hits and I can confirm their claim is true.

    I became aware of Gunsite Rifle Courses by looking at http://www.frfrogspad.com/courses.htm where a SNAP SHOT COURSE is conducted and consists of other multiple skill enhancing drills.

    I modified their Snap Shot course target at 25 yards and stapled up a 6" paper plate I got stack of at Wally World. (Did not have any IPSC Targets) Shooter stands ready in condition 1, with butt on hip and is allowed 1.5 seconds to hit the plate. . This is repeated for a total of 5 shots. I purchased a R U Ready Timer that beeps to initiate sequence and timer starts and when timer hears shot it stops and gives you the exact time it took you to acquire the target and fire. Dont be surprised if your initial shots are taking upwards of 3 seconds. The 1.5 seconds is achievable and I was doing it with a AIMTECH see thru base and factory front sight with a Rem 7615 Police Patrol Rifle.

    This will tell you real quick what your ability is with a rifle in close quarter situation and is a REAL EYE OPENER ! ! ! !

    http://ruready.com/ Utilizing Friar Frogs courses and one of these timers will really make a difference in your ability to engage a threat quickly at close range.


    Now for comparison purposes try the same target/time with your weapon of choice for concealed carry. You will probably figure out on the first clip/cylinder full that you are behind the power curve insofar as hit probability with a handgun on equal footing with a rifle at 25 yards. When I was stationed at FLETC I did lots of practice at 7 yards with a one second target exposure, draw and fire and with that the target turns away before you can see the shop placement.

    As a result of the above testing I developed what I refer to as the 3 Great Truths:

    1. Never tug on Superman's cape.
    2. Never take a knife to a gunfight.
    3. Never ever take a handgun to a rifle match.





    I am still assembling the rifle and I have a 3-9X scope on it I will zero for POA/POI at 300 yards and I know holding 12" high at 400 yards I will be right on the money. I will work out the hold over and scope power to utilize the 6 O'clock post for longer range when I get it up and going. The next thing is to mount hardware so I can utilize a 3 point sling as is currently utilized by our people in Afghanistan and the rest of the planet. The problem is the attaching hardware and it is looking like a lag eye bolt with about 1 1/4" wood thread is going to be the ideal attachment after the ring is welded shut. It is going to look crude but only thing I can find the small H&K style hooks will engage..

    For those that would like more information on terminal wound ballistics, open this link:

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...3pWYVVJeGlGaFE I recommend downloading this data and put it on a thumb drive so you will always have it.

    This is all the volumes published by the International Wound Ballistics Association of which Col Fackler was Chairman of the Board which consisted of personnel from several foreign countries. If you had been a member of the IWBA (as I was) you would have paid $600.00 in membership fees to amass this entire collection.

    Fortunately a member of the American Firearms and Tool Marks Examiners got all the volumes, scanned them and put them out and I downloaded the data from him. Fackler completely debunked the wound ballistics theory by the Ballistics Research Lab at Aberdeen Proving Ground set the new bench mark for evaluating terminal ballistic capability. Fackler was a good friend and when he started the association (I knew was coming for several years) he presented me to the Board of Directors and nominated me as a Full Member which he informed me of after I was inducted thus I was a Charter Member (#8) of the association. Marty died in Florida about two years back and I miss being able to pick his brain on different ammo. I remember one statement me made about 7.62 NATO type cartridges where he stated the odds of surviving a solid thoracic cavity hit from a 30 cal rifle were very unlikely.

    I had a good friend who was a sniper with 3rd Army, he had five purples, five Bronze with V and was Medevaced in 44 right after D Day and from the Bulge. He had undergone 47 surgeries to remove shrapnel from him he picked up at the Bulge and that was just the ones they could get to. I asked him a couple years ago how many guys he saw with a solid thoracic cavity hit with a 8MM Mauser or a 30.06 and survived. His answer, "None".
    • From my shooting/testing I concluded that a handgun has a very slight edge up to about five to seven yards for a first shot hit. A rifle and handgun are about equal from 8 to 15 yards again to obtain a hit and the rifle has it cold from there on and this is only for hitting a target. At all these ranges the rifle is going to incapacitate faster than a handgun. In discussions with Fackler it boiled down to the fact that a non lethal hit from a 30 cal rifle will be more effective quicker than a lethal hit from a handgun.
    You can prove this to yourself quickly. Take your carry side are and a 30 cal rifle to range with two one gallon plastic milk jugs and use your cell phone to record the test. Take careful aim at 7 yards with your handgun and shoot the first jug.

    Then shoot the other jug of water at 100 yards with a 30 cal rifle and record that shot.
    Last edited by Hummer; 01-04-2018, 08:13 AM. Reason: Expanded information.

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  • dalewick
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    I've finally changed up after years of carrying a Glock 19. I now am carrying a Glock 43 as I'm not needing as many rounds on my side since I'm retired and the lighter weight and smaller size work better for me now. I carry 1 extra mag for a total of 12 rounds but still practice 2 quick rounds to the heart/chest area and 1 to the head then on to the next target. If I am so unfortunate as to be in a target rich environment that there are that many bad guys around, I will be picking up a rifle from one on the ground.

    Dale

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  • RichMoo51
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    I carry a SIG P938 scorpion/viridian green laser, a Glock 23, NAA .22 mag mini revolver, Glock 17 .. not all at one time though.lol

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  • JCOYLE
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    Sig 1911 compact .45ACP. Great defense gun.
    Last edited by JCOYLE; 04-19-2016, 06:05 PM.

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  • dalewick
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    Originally posted by Buggyout View Post
    Big man, big gun. I still have it AND an actual IWB holster for it! lol!

    -Buggy
    Hard to beat an H&K. My hat off to you for being able to pull off carrying a weapon built for offensive actions as a CCW. You can understand my desire for an H&K USP. Preferably a tactical. Mark 23 is a beautiful weapon. Me, envious much.

    Dale

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  • Buggyout
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    Originally posted by dalewick View Post
    You carried a Mark 23 concealed? That's almost like carrying an MP5 concealed. LOL! How did that work out for you?

    Dale
    Big man, big gun. I still have it AND an actual IWB holster for it! lol!

    -Buggy

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  • dalewick
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    Originally posted by Buggyout View Post
    Currently, my personal best shooter is a Glock 35. I carried it on duty for 15 years. It will always be my first choice for CCW. I have however gone retard a few times and carried my Mark 23!!!! Bahahahaha!

    -Buggy
    You carried a Mark 23 concealed? That's almost like carrying an MP5 concealed. LOL! How did that work out for you?

    Dale

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  • Buggyout
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    Originally posted by Hummer View Post
    I carried a Gov't Model 45 for years in a Hume Agent 9 belt holster and it kept it close and concealed while wearing a jacket. I have also carried Rugers, Smiths etc and was strongly considering a Ruger SP101 3" bbl.

    Then I had a chance to fondle one of these:

    http://eu.glock.com/english/glock36.htm

    I have one on the way with extra extended mag. I think that will be my final acquisition. I will likely add another sight system. Will wait to see.
    Currently, my personal best shooter is a Glock 35. I carried it on duty for 15 years. It will always be my first choice for CCW. I have however gone retard a few times and carried my Mark 23!!!! Bahahahaha!

    -Buggy

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  • Hummer
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    I carried a Gov't Model 45 for years in a Hume Agent 9 belt holster and it kept it close and concealed while wearing a jacket. I have also carried Rugers, Smiths etc and was strongly considering a Ruger SP101 3" bbl.

    Then I had a chance to fondle one of these:

    http://eu.glock.com/english/glock36.htm

    I have one on the way with extra extended mag. I think that will be my final acquisition. I will likely add another sight system. Will wait to see.

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  • Scooter209
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    Most of the time a Sig 938 in a Cross Bread IWB holster, use to carry 1911 but it is just too heavy.
    Car gun is either Glock 22, 19, or 27.

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  • KSDeputy
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    I carry a CS 45 and two extra mags. I must be too old, how on earth can anyone get used to DAO pistols?

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  • cwi555
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    Claims of lethality etc are not very wise. Especially when they surface in court while you defend yourself following a lethal force attack.
    I'd much rather explain carrying two, rather than explain that.

    Originally posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
    A fella I know carries a pair of Berettas. Haven't seen him engage a target but he claims a high degree of lethality.

    Browning Hi Power in a cross draw for me for the time being.

    O.W.

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