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  • A tidbit

    I thought that I would try to occasionally put a tidbit of info here in reference to contingency planning. I want to start with a little info that you ex-military guys will know about so feel free to add your own knowledge and experience to this so we can all learn something.

    If you have not practiced defending your home or property yet you should. As far as the outside of your home goes you need to create a perimeter that you can reasonably defend. If you have many acres of land unless you and your wife have given birth to a small army you are not going to be able to defend it all. So choose what you can manage with the folks that you have around your home. The first thing that you will need is some type of perimeter alarms. There are many to be had on-line with varying degrees of technology but you really don't need the high speed stuff. There are many small versions of the military trip flare on-line that will light up the area of intrusion with enough light to see the intruder. Be aware that an animal will trip these as well and there is no way around that, you will just have to consider it practice when that happens. Cheaper yet, you can use fishing line with tin pie plates and empty cans hanging on it. If your perimeter is not too far away from the house you can set up a baby monitor transmitter, camoflaged or course, close to the fishing line with a reciever beside your bed.

    Now that you have decided what you can defend with your capabilities you need to set up fire positions and fall back positions. A fire position is pretty much self explanatory, but I would add that you need to make sure that you know the difference between cover and concealment. Sometimes concealment can give you a false sense of security. What I mean by that is hiding behind or in a bush where you cannot be seen by an enemy is good but you cannot use that bush to fire from because it will not stop a bullet. So do not get the two confused. Cover is anything that you can hide behind that will stop a bullet. For example; a large tree, a rock, a mound of dirt, a thick concrete or brick wall. If you live in frame house or mobile home, the outside walls are not cover. So, you have set up your primary firing position close to your perimeter, this is the first place that you will try to stop an intruder/s bent on doing harm to you and yours. If for whatever reason you cannot stop the intruder there you need to have second position (behind you) that you can fall back to that offers cover and concealment as well as a third place. These fall back positions need to be pre-stocked with ammo and/or another gun. This whole scenario works better if there are at least two people, this way one can offer covering fire as the other falls back to the next position and vise versa. This takes care of the outside or your home. What about the inside?

    Most of the above can be applied to the inside with some common sense exceptions. First, no one should be able to come into your house without making a lot of noise that wakes you up. Be it electronic alarm, or tin cans on the floor or a little yappy dog, it doesn't matter as long as it wakes you up. You need to take your unloaded firearm through the house and determine your firing positions. What can you use for cover? Does the position play to your strong side and dominant eye or is it awkward? If it is awkward and there is nothing that can be moved to change it, then you need to go to the range and practice firing from that awkward position. In your house you will also need a second and third firing position and these positions need to be prestocked just as you did for the outside ones. When figuring these positions you will need to take into consideration your children's bedrooms if that applies, we don't won't little tikes running into crossfire. To clarify, for the outside you don't need to go out and bury ammo at your various firing positions, but you should at least have your positions figured out. Then in a SHTF situation where trouble is imminent you can stock your positions. On the inside however you can have an extra mag, speedloader, shotgun shells, etc., already in place.
    Sincerely hoping you will never need this info,
    bbc
    Last edited by beebopcop; 01-09-2009, 08:13 AM. Reason: mistake
    The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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    Damn.......now that's a mouthful of wholesome goodness.......;)
    "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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    • #3
      Wow! That really opened my eyes! It's amazing the amount of help these topics can be. I've been really looking hard at the perimeter around our home lately, and trying to figure out what i could do to minimize cover for the bad guys, or at least make it so that I know which way they will come by using various barriers/obstacles, but I hadn't given enough thought to the inside of the house concerning ammo/mag placement.
      I just love these informative topics!

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      • #4


        Good write up BBC,

        SB offers up a good article on community defenses above :):cool:
        73

        later,
        ZA

        Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
        beat you to death with it because it is empty.

        The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zombie Axe View Post
          http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/01/..._on_comba.html

          Good write up BBC,

          SB offers up a good article on community defenses above :):cool:
          Thanks Zombie, feel free to add to it. Yeah, I like that web site too.
          The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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          • #6
            A cool concept I have heard of for 'up armoring' homes is to use C-channel steel studs,cover with sheetrock and then fill them with PEA GRAVEL to make an effective bullet resistant safe area. The gravel supposedly stops alot of rifle bullets and allows for repeated hits with no degradation :)

            The reason you use the C-Channel steel studs is so the gravel can 'get behind' the stud and offer bullet resistance, whereas a wooden stud has a 1 3/4" window of entry into your safe room as wood does not do a good job of stopping bullets :)

            Cheap idea vs. bullets resistant methods such as armor plate and kevlar...

            Thought I'd share :)
            73

            later,
            ZA

            Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
            beat you to death with it because it is empty.

            The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zombie Axe View Post
              A cool concept I have heard of for 'up armoring' homes is to use C-channel steel studs,cover with sheetrock and then fill them with PEA GRAVEL to make an effective bullet resistant safe area. The gravel supposedly stops alot of rifle bullets and allows for repeated hits with no degradation :)

              The reason you use the C-Channel steel studs is so the gravel can 'get behind' the stud and offer bullet resistance, whereas a wooden stud has a 1 3/4" window of entry into your safe room as wood does not do a good job of stopping bullets :)

              Cheap idea vs. bullets resistant methods such as armor plate and kevlar...

              Thought I'd share :)

              Excellent! Sounds like an affordable way to make any room into a decent safe room. Thanks!
              The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                Design/remodeling of high security, survival homes, with built-in vault room, security shelter and alternate energy


                Lots of good info in that book! Wish I would have read the book before I built :( Although I did a lot of things right, wish I would done better;)
                73

                later,
                ZA

                Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
                beat you to death with it because it is empty.

                The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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                • #9
                  hats off-well said sir
                  THE LARGER THE CITY THE FASTER IT FALLS

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                  • #10
                    Good points. Another possibility is the use of fire from neighboring locations. This is not for the random, middle of the night break in where there isn't much time to react, but in a SHTF situation where there is no order and you and your neighbors are staying on alert. Band with (and train with) close neighbors so that if you are under attack, your neighbors can come to your aid with supporting fire from a totally different direction. Of course, you can do the same for them.
                    This means, of course, that your neighbors have to be armed, and that you trust their competence not to make the situation worse by doing stupid things which can sometimes happen in such a situation.

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                    • #11
                      This is another good one to reboot. Interesting.

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                      • #12
                        A couple of suggestions.
                        Sandbags filled with pea gravel can be stacked to do the same as filling the wall (better, as they are thicker actually) without revising construction. They can be stored on a pallet in an outbuilding until it's appropriate to set up a defensible position and they can be moved as needed or if you change your mind about what constitutes the correct position in your home to fight from.
                        At some point, a defensible position becomes a spot to die in. You can defend against a limited number of people or a relatively casual intrusion, but if there are enough of them, they are heavily enough armed, they are good enough, or they are determined enough then you are in trouble. Give some thought to getting out and circling around to attack THEM as they move inward. Think of the idea of a government intrusion: they're after your guns or taking your stockpiles for "redistribution" and you aren't ALLOWED to refuse. When SWAT stacks on your door, you're done. As Ron White says, "I don't know how many of them it's gonna take to kick my ass... but I know how many they're gonna use." Your options are fight and die, comply, or bail and circle around (or hit them from the outside as they are setting up, preferably with help from neighbors). The same is true for ANY coordinated attack on your property, government or not.

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