Bug out location security

[hminus]

Excellent Post BBC! In fact I have the same narrative saved on my PC for security planning. The fact is no one can make a fool proof plan for security. The only thing we can do is adapt and change your security plans to meet both observed and perceived threats. A good friend of mine who did time as a Navy Seal once told me how his team was tasked to test the security of a very well known secret base (lol)... His team spent a week simply running up and touching a fence with touch sensitive sensors and then running back to the hide. The spotter would record the response time of the security teams. The response time eventually took longer and longer. Then they stopped responding. You all know what happened next... My point is that even the best security can be overcome with some effort. So every so often I read that narrative to help me plan. I also keep tabs on the most dangerous threat to a post apocalyptic society..... Gangs... They are the most likely group to take advantage to any disruption of the norm.....

[TRUTHSEEKER]

I see that no one has posted in this thread since November of 2009 -- I am just now getting around to reading it - since being away for several months -- I plan to print this one out - read it frequently to burn into my mind these important facts that just may save my life -- I certainly do not think like a mugger - thug - or even a desperate - scared - hungry sick person -- I am a small framed but strong female and my physical strength may not be enough to protect myself -- so the best thing is to be smart - be careful - be prepared - and be gone -- Thank you ever so much for sharing this info

[tarheelsman71]

Okay as I read this I was thinking surely he meant 100 yards (which is still not enough)....but now that you clarified that I have to say that my son who is 7 could shoot you with his little ar7 from 33 yards away when you come out of your little tunnel. So let me get this straight, you plan to come out 33 yards away from your house and sneak up from behind your attackers. My Ar15 can reach out to 300 yards with iron sites easily so I doubt I will be sitting in your front yard in a lawn chair with coozie trying to attack you. You might want to reevaluate your security efforts.

[Centurion]

I have seen this post before on another site www.whenshtf.com
it was about two weeks ago. From what i remember the general consensus from those who had actual combat experience was rejection. To entertain the idea that an organized, disciplined and trained force would make these amature mistakes was a joke. Thats what I remember and would agree as well. But it is a good read.

[hudson69]

Very Ugly situation

Where I live, how my wife and family are I can only hope that my neighbors will band together until law and order are reset.

I am urban, not rural so running is not really an option. I would like to think that I, myself, am well prepared but if running up against a large force I would have to pull my neighbors into it, unite or fall individually I guess.

[Big_Saw]

The figures could be argued to no end, but still an excellent breakdown...thanks, BBC...

[Legionnaire]

Good Post... 100 yards is a joke IMHO. If it gets to Rouges and bandits crossing thru the landscape, I want a least a 300 yards perimeter, prefer 500 yards. If the lanscape will allow it. Hinding in a "Holla" is death. If my team is of Platoon size or that of a small company I don't care if I am seen. (with-in reason of course) Again good post BB

If the attackers had any military training and used firearms semi-regularly even a clear LOS for 300-500 yards would just make it easier for them to pick people off in your group. I hate to say it but most small groups would be toast in the scenario starting this post. One of the best things I think a group could do, besides go unnoticed as much as possible, would be to be in a location and have fortifications making it much more difficult to observe your group size/strength/resources so that a smart raider would not deem the risk worth the reward. As an attacker if I couldn't verify how many were in a group and what they had that I wanted I would not engage. Make it appear the attack is more costly than the resources gainable.

[Oscar Wilde]

Great post BBC if only to help some gain the mindset of the potentially horrific condition about to befall us. While we pray for otherwise prepare for the WORST.

O.W.

[Ponce]

36" for the tunnel made with old PVC from a construction site that failed, and is not 100 yards but 100 feet..........with this I can either keep on running deeper into the woods or come at them from behind.

I just send yesterday from "Sportsmans Guide" for three connections that you can turn of and off for up to 100 feet with a remote control........I will use them for more lights at a couple of blank spots.

At the these two blank spots I have a 3X4 mirrors attached to a tree that gives me a indirect line of site but not at night.

Remember to always have a "back up" for your back up and if possible then a third back up.

[TheOriginalProffett]

This is such an excellent piece. Why? Because, as I have noticed, too often it seems people are caught up in the romanticised ideas of living like bandits in a fallen world. They forget this is survival and it's dirty, dangerous and anything but pleasant.

Such a wealth of knowledge in the above information. Thank you for the realistic, although unpleasant representation.

[knightmare]

Excellent post. Really makes a person think. I humbly thank you.

[pathfinder3081]

Good Post... 100 yards is a joke IMHO. If it gets to Rouges and bandits crossing thru the landscape, I want a least a 300 yards perimeter, prefer 500 yards. If the lanscape will allow it. Hinding in a "Holla" is death. If my team is of Platoon size or that of a small company I don't care if I am seen. (with-in reason of course) Again good post BB

[beebopcop]

I don't have a tunnel or maybe you were asking ponce. I don't see myself ever having a tunnel in my current living situation, but I think that they are a great idea if you can pull it off.
bbc

[BARRACUDABILLY]

Good post BBC, makes one think.

My BOL is very rural and I have several "like minded" neighbors, I think I am going to print this out so we can talk and discuss how to secure the area
better and work on a outside threat as a team then go back to our hide outs.
I do not know what my neighbor has,I don't ask him and he don't ask me but I feel we would have each others back.

I am sure there will be thugs steeling and looting when TSHTF and it will be up to what is left of us good guys who have prepaired to make sure they are stopped.

Ponce mentioned a tunnel and I have thought about adding an secret escape route also, what is a good safe and cost effictive way to make a tunnel?

I was thinking 36" dia corrigated metal colvert pipe with 4 feet of cover.

What have you used for you tunnel? if you can share the info?

[Ponce]

Living alone the key word for me is "Don't get trapped" and that's why I have a tunnel leading into the woods and 100 feet away from my home... before they get to me they would have to get past all my booby traps and fences, if they cut my public power supply then my emergency supply would go on and also I would be alerted of what is going on.

About all that they could do is to set my house on fire in order to try and kill me hence the scape tunnel and the extra supply at two points up in the hills.

With the above in mind I have two water sprinklers on the roof and no way for them to cut off my water supply........about all that they could do is to snipe away the sprinklers, hummmmmmmmmm I have to think about this one.