Input on BOL plan?

[VillagelooN]

Something Loshali said led me to consider a BOL.

If we can stay put (SHTF)we'd fare pretty well, today. We have essential renewable resources, fuel and food. And plenty of water,that's just it, plenty of water. Because we have consistent weather systems that work their way up the coast and right over D.C. and N.Y.N.Y then dumps on us. So what about a CBRN attack? If anything were to happen along the Jetstream it'll end up over our heads.

Is the best BO option North and West? Which means O' Cannaaddaa.

Does anyone have clues to what the northern border scenario would be like? It should be easy to get away from population centers. Then where to?

(basic fallout shelter is planned for the spring)

[Zombie Axe]

I personally try to avoid large population centers myself if at all possible.

Lower population density is more commonly found out West, but then again the job's are scarce as well.

You hafta weigh both the pro's and the con's of each area and plan for the worst case scenario and PLAN FOR THAT...

I chose to live in a lightly populated 'farming community' which by Wyoming standards would be considered CROWDED, but not by NC standards... I would love to move out West, but I love my job and the living standard it provides so I will stay here for now... However after a major merger I now have OPTIONS to do what I do now in areas I would like to be :)

According to the fictional work "World War Z" (a zombie tales of the crypt type deal) Northern Climates ruled because the zombies froze in the winter (only to thaw out in spring ;) ) so if that is your Worst Case Scenario, then it might be a good option ;)

[beebopcop]

I believe that the border with Canada would lock down during a national emergency, at least as best they could lock it down. When I think of going north I think of harsh weather. If the emergency hits in the spring or early summer then there would be ample opportunity to dig in and prepare for a harsh northern winter, but otherwise I think that I would want to go west. Both directions offer plenty of wilderness and places to get lost. The concern about the west and midwest in particular are the ICBM silos. They will certainly be high priority targets in the event of the unthinkable. Decisions, decisions, decisions!
bbc

[bdcochran]

reality

Take a deep breath because under the scenario that you painted, your choice to bug out will not work.

For purposes of discussion, I will assume that you are in good physical condition for your age, your meds are up to date, you have no dependents and your skill level is extraordinary.

Let me share some personal insights about bugging out.

1. I am behind 24 Palms in the Mojave Desert tracking animals. There is a reported population of 30,000. Two hundred years ago, the area maybe, just maybe supported 2-5 people. I concluded that I would not be alive after 6 months when shtf. Just how many people are going to be hunter/gatherers in upstate New York or Canada when shtf?

2. 30 years ago I was in a warring country the size of Texas and with only one paved road. Everyone local knew the local terrain like the back of his hand. What do you know about the people, the terrain, the resources you can raid or steal when you are bugging out?

So now, I am urban. Several dozen million people are on the move bugging out to Canada. There is a website that gives information of demographics by zip code. In one zip code in New York City there are over 76,000 people to the square mile! You will now compete for space on the road, water, food, shelter, medical supplies. By the time you go 20 miles on foot, every local that you run into has been importuned by or robbed by a passerby.

It makes more sense to figure out how to survive your specific danger in place or nearly in place without bugging out.

I have mentor who is nearly rural. There are only 400 people to square mile in his zip code. His former bug out location was his son's place (with actual supplies!!!) two hours travel by car through basically a mountainous area. All he had to do was skirt a city of 3,000,000 or drive through it. Well, during the workweek, it is impossible to drive through it. He has certain windows of opportunity. He figured that he needed a 1/2 hour warning during one of those windows and he would make it. Finally, he acknowledged that the window was closed. He will stay in place.

This is not the United States, population 2.5 million souls in 1776. It is over 300,000,000 souls in an area twice the size today. There are probably more people than deer in the woods. Yet, everyone thinks he is going to become a hunter/gatherer and make it. Unrealistic.

[herbalpagan]

I know the area you are in, so my advice is to stay put. I say this because of having asked those questions to a military specialist in what you are concerned with and he was visiting at the time. He suggested that most of the outlying villages in that area are some of the safest places in the east.
The mountains are very protective there.
Another plus is that many of the people there are fairly self sufficient and used to making do. You also are familiar with the area. I think that the border will be hell in a SHTF situation.

[leadslinger]

secure a neighborhood hiltop with a watersource its close and can be defended

[unswydd]

secure a neighborhood hiltop with a watersource its close and can be defended

Ditto leadslinger! This is what we, my family, have decided on. We have acreage and water and well, that's the plan. I think it's a good one. We know what's around the next corner and can well see it if need be. There are enough of us to scout it out and defend it around the clock if necessary.

[leadslinger]

hilltop

we are now looking at a old titan 2 missle site here in arizona we have about 18 of them and the government has sold or abandend all of them Ive got the gps cords on all and were going scouting soon. there 3 stories under ground and all have wells and septic systems most still have generators and radio equip still there. should be interesting:D

[bankrobber0619]

im sorry but

i here the guys talkin about "oh is the canadian border gonna be safe and all that.... the north american union will be in place in 2010..... which means canada mexico and the late great u.s. will join. so either way in north america your not running anywhere.

[bankrobber0619]

hey lead

hey lead slinger ive been meaning to ask you about that silo. i live in phoenix so i was curious, wouldnt big brother look at one of their own silos for refugees/terrorizers what ever were gonna be labeled? even if they didnt own it anymore?

[leadslinger]

missle silo

Hi bankrobber actually no they were all sold off to private owners except for 1 that they use for fighting forest fires. I have the GPS coords for them and some have some work done but only one is inhabited with a church. Im feeling kinda spiritual.
best of luck

[bdcochran]

I started laughing

"i here the guys talkin about "oh is the canadian border gonna be safe and all that.... the north american union will be in place in 2010..... which means canada mexico and the late great u.s. will join. so either way in north america your not running anywhere."

Heck, you are destroying illusions of playing Rambo!

Remember Rambo in Afghanistan? I was there before the movie was made. Living it off screen isn't like the movie. In fact, my son had been with me in the Golden Triangle before the movie had been made. Remember the scene where Rambo is in the jungle and ran up the temple steps? My kid laughed and said "Rambo is stupid because there is an elevator". And there is. And I have walked up those stairs after being acclimated instead of coming out of an airconditioned van and taking a few seconds to run up.

As to the other poster - Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the US. If you go north, there is only one road through the mountains and you had better have a head start on everyone else. If you go east, south or west, there aren't enough desert filling stations with snack bars to handle the rush.

I live where the population is 13,000 to the square mile. Even a traffic light being out at local intersection is a disaster of monstrous proportions. I will never get to the mountains to do a rerun of Red Dawn.

[Skyowl's Wife]

is the canadian border gonna be safe and all that

Something all need to consider when thinking of moving North is the climate/weather. Despite what Albore says, there has been no significant sunspot activity since last summer. All the "global warming" accumulated in the last century has been lost in the last 2 years. We are headed into a cooling cycle.

[OneBadPig]

we are now looking at a old titan 2 missle site here in arizona we have about 18 of them and the government has sold or abandend all of them Ive got the gps cords on all and were going scouting soon. there 3 stories under ground and all have wells and septic systems most still have generators and radio equip still there. should be interesting:D

I have seen those converted into really nice living spaces.
If you buy one, be sure to call Russia and have them make sure they take it off their target list:D

[leadslinger]

missle silo

well Ill have to call putin on that hit list. thanks for the info. as far as getting out of phoenix, well its all in the timing and fuel is of no issue I have 2000 miles of fuel available and we have people comming from multipal locations.