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  • #31
    And if you have a septic tank you can access, the choice is yours.
    I seem to recall hearing about a California couple that took refuge from wildfire in theirs.
    Last edited by ZAGran; 06-01-2018, 10:47 AM. Reason: typo

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ZAGran View Post
      And if you have a septic tank you can access, the choice is yours.
      I seem to recall hearing about a California couple that took refuge from wildfire in theirs.
      Gross factor aside... you would need to be extremely careful to take refuge in a septic tank. first there is issue of it being a confined space and potential for methane gas that could incapacitate or even kill. Also, since sewage is anerobic and there is no O2 in it you won't float as it's not water. I remember seeing a Dirty Jobs episode where Mike Rowe was at some sort of sewage plant and they had a boat to go out to check things and they cautioned not falling in as you'd go to the bottom like a rock.
      I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by CountryGuy View Post

        Gross factor aside... you would need to be extremely careful to take refuge in a septic tank. first there is issue of it being a confined space and potential for methane gas that could incapacitate or even kill. Also, since sewage is anerobic and there is no O2 in it you won't float as it's not water. I remember seeing a Dirty Jobs episode where Mike Rowe was at some sort of sewage plant and they had a boat to go out to check things and they cautioned not falling in as you'd go to the bottom like a rock.
        CG, I'm thinking that Gran means hiding things in the septic tank. Works fine if you can seal the item up water tight and hide the retrieval line so it's not discovered. Gran, please correct me if I'm wrong.

        Family ponds are also a great spot for a waterproof cache.

        Dale
        Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ZAGran View Post
          I seem to recall hearing about a California couple that took refuge from wildfire in theirs.
          Oh I saw this and thought she meant they took the plunge to avoid the flames... maybe I misunderstood.
          I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by CountryGuy View Post

            Oh I saw this and thought she meant they took the plunge to avoid the flames... maybe I misunderstood.
            CG, Maybe I misunderstood. I'm thinkin that would be my last, last resort. The methane and hydrogen sulfide that gathers in a septic tank makes a big boom when ignited. Not to mention, it's impossible to breath. I will wait and see what Gran says.

            Dale
            Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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            • #36
              Yeah, I'm wondering if they maybe didn't have an in-ground cistern for water catchment. Especially since usually your septic tank is fully buried.
              I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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              • #37
                A.Maybe it was a cistern. my bad, but one report said septic tank, one swimming pool and one a cistern back in 2007 or so. But I I was really speaking to hiding things in a septic tank and gave my recollection as a demonstration of how large a septic tank can be.

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                • #38
                  A septic can used if It's done up right.id start with a new tank.then connect the line coming into it.and the one going out.that way the sewage wont be in the tank.to me that means.the tank can be used for more item's.
                  be prepared,be worried,be careful..and watch your 6

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                  • #39
                    Totally JimLE. When I was a kid my parents place the backyard was full of springs that made it very wet and near impossible to mow. So Dad put in ditches and we ran 4" pipe over to the side of the house where there was a small deep pond. he pumped that dry and dug it out with a backhoe and then set a new 2000gal concrete septic tank that we run the line in to. On the outflow we ditched it down to the road and into a culvert. Only time I ever saw that stop dripping was a year we had a really bad drought. The springs still produced but on the outflow side the ground sucked up every drop before it got to the road, as was witnessed by the plush green streak thru the yard of brown crunchy grass. We built a single car garage over that and the tank clean out is in the back corner where we could bucket water out to drink or use for toilets when power went out. Dad later rigged a submersible pump and pressure tank and they use that for washing the vehicles or watering the garden rather than using out of the well in the summer for those things.

                    A well is another hide spot. Say a 3-5' pvc pipe with caps and an eye-hook thru one cap with a rope tied off and tied around the outside of the case like is often down for the well pull rope, how many people are going to look that close.
                    Last edited by CountryGuy; 06-03-2018, 03:10 PM.
                    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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                    • #40
                      Martial law in my country is for the big cities not the rural areas, the govt dosent have enough numbers to go door to door in a nation of 65 million people. they'll be lucky if they keep control in the capital never mind anywhere else.

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                      • #41
                        Don't bet your paycheck on it not impacting the rural areas... Oh it'll be the big population centers first but once those are mostly locked down they'd make their way around to the outer regions. And all those various bureaucrats that work for the govt, be it national or local, will suddenly find themselves empowered by their masters to help keep the sheep in line and to help in herding them all in. Think it's a big leap to the local postman, constable, or municipal/ township, village/ borough or whatever name you all use employee to tow the line and report people or to go out and start forcing people out of their homes. And what will you do when it's a truck and a squad of armed soldiers there escorting them? You going to say no?

                        Oh sure people will slip thru here and there no doubt but would be more like the resistance groups in WW2 sneaking around under the thumb of the Germans. Those few people that slip away will need to be very skilled and equipped to stay low. I think people have fantasies that they'll hide out in the weeds till the threat leaves, this isn't 1940. With today's technologies like FLIR, people will be very hard pressed to hide out completely without leaving some type of heat signature. Even if you have a hole tunneled in the ground, if you have any source of heat to keep from freezing to death it'll leave a heat plume. Just something to keep in mind.

                        In a country that's roughly 40x the size of the UK with over 325 million I have no doubt they'd get to a lot of places but one advantage we have that you all don't is our firearms. Your countrymen gave them and any chance at freedom up with them. the big cessepool population centers here would be controlled but massive amounts of area would remain uncontrolled or at least contested as they cost to take and keep them would be to costly to the oppressors.
                        I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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                        • #42
                          we saw in the London "riots" some years ago just how quickly the authorities will lose control, and that was a small number of looters going for wide screen tv's and mobile phones, when its SHTF and they are rioting over food they will have more of a problem on their hands.
                          most politicians don't even know where the far south west is-unless its an election year that is!!!!

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                          • #43
                            But here is a question, and I don't know its why I'm asking, with those riots was it just the police or did they roll out the army?

                            In a nationwide martial law situation you are talking military control being enforced, not police control. We have some pretty strict Constitutional laws that are to prevent deployment of our military within our borders but... I also can't say a politician has been born yet that's met a law they're not willing to break. Since it effectively happens every time a state rolls out the national guard (though this is at the request of the governor) for a emergency like a hurricane not sure many would think to object. Most citizens are lemmings and just go along with the flow. They don't know what the laws or limitations are to be on the military in the US.
                            I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you!

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                            • #44
                              The British Army is very small at the moment and severely stretched, undermanned and under resourced.
                              the current TOTAL of serving British troops is 81,700, many of which are abroad, nothing like the 500,000 you have, not enough to do any more than keep control of London which has a population of 8.6 million a very substancial part of which has different cultures and different rules, I think TPTB will have enough of their hands without bothering with a few urban yokels.

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