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    A recent post made me stop and think about my skill sets and all the things I've learned over the years and part of the discussion was communications. Most SHTF scenarios won't need secure ways of communicating with other members of your parties, but what if the worst happens. Do you have the ability to talk on a walkie talkie and tell a loved one or a member of your group that someone is sneaking around, maybe listening to your channel on another walkie talkie? Simple codes can be as simple as just knowing someone for a long time and knowing inside jokes, pet names and just using your joint history to communicate in a way that anyone not knowing you has no idea what your talking about. Communicating that your OK while away can be as simple as braking squelch at set times or one simple word over the radio. Sometimes, the least said, says enough. Sometimes you may need a more complex code when communicating with your members. There are many complex code forms that can be found on places like Pinterest and altered to suit your needs. You can have premade copies for your group that have to use something as simple as a book, magazine, poem, etc that everyone has a copy of to be able to decipher the code.
    Communication after a TEOTWAWKI will be much more than radios or electronics. Most should know at least some basic hand and arm signals so you can maintain noise discipline while out hunting, food gathering, scrounging or whatever. You can make up your own or teach everyone military hand and arm signals, as long as everyone knows the same ones. You can come up with ways to leave markings on trees, side walks, buildings, bridges, etc. that look like gang or government tags as ways to leave complete messages for such things as meeting places, the location of caches, whether the route ahead is safe or not, location of safe water, etc.

    Keeping yourself and your loved ones safe when it goes through the fan and hits the wall, will be totally up to you. Your only limited by your knowledge, imagination and the supplies you prepare now.

    A few more thoughts, overlays for your maps, UV visible markers, a small UV flashlight, sidewalk chalk, UV visible paint (fluorescent paint), surveyors tape for flags, colored duct tape, laser flare or pointer, magnets, Velcro (self sticking), zip lock bags (wet conditions) PVC watertight cannisters (DIY) and more

    OPSEC and noise and light discipline are your responsibility.

    Dale
    Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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    Tango Alpha Romeo, this is Rover One.. Tracking a fox trying to get into the hen house.. fox has blue legs, brown feathers, and appears to be armed with a rifle.... over.

    To obvious?

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    • #3
      There's old school communications, and there's old, OLD school communications.

      Some years ago, me and a neighbor worked out a system involving a series of animal or bird sounds--Native American style--to communicate certain security/summoning signals. For example, owl sounds at night carry well. Coyote works any time of the day or night. Because cell phones are useless in these mountains, it is practical because the presence of human prowlers, bear sightings, etc. can be easily and quickly be conveyed to others if we are outside working in the garden, repairing fence lines, or relaxing on the porch after dinner, etc.

      We do something similar with friends when camping, etc. A short, loud hoot is unmistakably one of "us" and is not likely to be confused with the sounds that other people usually make in recreational areas, such as whistling or "hey!"

      In an urban setting, I would imagine the same concept can be carried out using a series or a pattern of dog barking sounds for distance communications, and cat or bird sounds for close up work.
      Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-09-2018, 05:01 AM.
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      • #4
        Then there’s the world’s first “cell phone” system: the whistling language of the Canarian archipelago off the coast of Morocco...

        Some years ago, while researching genealogy on my mother’s side of the family, I discovered an interesting aspect of my heritage as a member of the Los Islenos who are descendants of Canary Islanders that colonized parts of the New Orleans area 240 years ago.

        This thread reminded me of the potential value of the ancient language of my ancestors. This method of communication requires no cell phone towers, no electricity, no batteries and under the right conditions, it can reach for a few miles.

        Silbo is a language composed entirely of a series of loud bird-like whistles that is easily learned and mastered and is being taught in primary schools in the Canary islands in efforts to preserve a form of language that has survived for thousands of years but is in danger of dying out.

        According to Wikipedia, Silbo has "between 2 and 4 vowels and between 4 and 10 consonants. Today, the language is a whistled form of a dialect of Spanish. Silbo replaces each vowel or consonant with a whistling sound. Whistles are distinguished according to pitch and continuity." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero)

        Here are some interesting links to serve as a springboard of ideas that can be adapted to long-range planning for substitutes for modern communications...in the event all else fails. (Of course, if you are concerned about OPSEC, looters, etc, animal sounds--Native American style--may work better than outright whistles.)


        https://www.hellocanaryislands.com/s...age-la-gomera/

        https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20953138


        Some parts of Mexico and Turkey also have something similar to the whistled language of the Canarian archipelago:

        http://www.openculture.com/2015/08/f...ey-mexico.html
        Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-09-2018, 05:08 AM.
        Genius is making a way out of no way.

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        • #5
          .............. duplicate post
          Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-09-2018, 04:39 AM.
          Genius is making a way out of no way.

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          • #6


            Originally posted by Murphy View Post
            Tango Alpha Romeo, this is Rover One .. Tracking a fox trying to get into the hen house.. fox has blue legs, brown feathers, and appears to be armed with a rifle.... over.

            To obvious?

            Yer a hoot, lol.



            Be still and observe things beyond the obvious, Grasshopper.

            --Kung Fu Master Po
            Genius is making a way out of no way.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Murphy View Post
              Tango Alpha Romeo, this is Rover One.. Tracking a fox trying to get into the hen house.. fox has blue legs, brown feathers, and appears to be armed with a rifle.... over.

              To obvious?
              Possibly. LOL! Charlie Mike

              Dale
              Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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              • #8
                Let set a scenario: your group has moved to your retreat. You need eyes on site for intell (G-2).

                CODE: A simple 3 letter code can confirm you are talking to the right person.

                EXAMPLE: Site one calling Site two with intell: (2) calls for (1) to identify. (2) states ABC (1) respond back with (Z).

                This way you are talking to the right party then (1) passes its intell.

                A simple one use code - next call uses a different code. That both parties have.

                Other codes

                Use sign (Apple) - - counter sign (Sauce)
                Use sign to change channel (move from 7 to 22)
                KISS

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RICHFL View Post
                  Let set a scenario: your group has moved to your retreat. You need eyes on site for intell (G-2).

                  CODE: A simple 3 letter code can confirm you are talking to the right person.

                  EXAMPLE: Site one calling Site two with intell: (2) calls for (1) to identify. (2) states ABC (1) respond back with (Z).

                  This way you are talking to the right party then (1) passes its intell.

                  A simple one use code - next call uses a different code. That both parties have.

                  Other codes

                  Use sign (Apple) - - counter sign (Sauce)
                  Use sign to change channel (move from 7 to 22)
                  KISS
                  RICHFL,

                  I've seen this before and like it a lot as long a.s no one leaving a secured are writes any of it down. If your patrol member is captured or killed and any codes are on them, it can cause more deaths. I remember the old U.S. Army code books. They were like half the size of a sears catalog. I guess if someone could get ahold of one of those and make copies they could have an established cipher on a rotating schedule that most bad guys could never break.

                  During D-Day clicker toys were used effectively.

                  I really like some of GrizzlyetteAdams ideas of using animal calls for close to medium range contacts. Lots of ways to use that.

                  Dale
                  Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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                  • #10
                    Good info. Something we need to work on.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GrizzlyetteAdams View Post

                      Be still and observe things beyond the obvious, Grasshopper.

                      --Kung Fu Master Po
                      That;'s great advice.
                      It's one of the best ways to learn.

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                      • #12
                        (pssst.... I have no idea if Master Po ever said that 'cause I made it up; it sounded like a good idea at the time, lol.)
                        Genius is making a way out of no way.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GrizzlyetteAdams View Post
                          (pssst.... I have no idea if Master Po ever said that 'cause I made it up; it sounded like a good idea at the time, lol.)
                          You communicated it, it was taken at face value...and it was funny! Sweet!

                          Laughter is the best medicine. Missed 2 deer and helped out with an 18 wheeler accident (rolled it onto 2 other vehicles) this AM. Needed a laugh. Thanks!

                          Dale
                          Judge no one, until you have walked in the same mud and spilt the same blood. Him, I call brother.

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                          • #14
                            Missed two deer AND dealt with a bad road accident in the same day?? Ouch. So sorry to hear that... Now I am especially glad I was able to make you smile.

                            We all need a laugh... it is the perfect relief valve ever.

                            Laughter is also a valuable survival tool and works especially well in SHTF situations. It's why my home folks partied and paraded in the streets after hurricane Katrina blew through town and turned our world upside down. The rest of the world looked at us in disbelief, tsk-tsking and saying we were nuts for partying rather than rebuilding. (But we know that the best way to recover from anything is to get the sadness out of the way first.)

                            What they didn't know: You must first put on a smile to do anything well, and what is a better way to do that??

                            You may have heard of our Jazz Funerals? Well, fellow New Orleanians even put on a mock Jazz Funeral for Katrina herself, in the midst of the destruction and rubble she created. Lookit dis:




                            Laughter is a universal language that everyone in the world can value, and if properly applied, it can diffuse even the worst imaginable situations.
                            Last edited by GrizzlyetteAdams; 10-12-2018, 04:13 PM.
                            Genius is making a way out of no way.

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                            • #15
                              This falls into the category of "communications"..........How do you identify team members ??? Especially visually ?? Most military have distinctive uniforms so that in the heat of a firefight, they can I.D. acceptable targets.

                              If this deteriorated to the level of tribes or clans or any group size, if the groups started to merge into larger communities, there would be this constant evolution of how to identify your community and by default rouge infiltrators.

                              But........even if you used a common hat or common scarf or common arm band, whatever you would need to have a lot of extra to allow for the growth of your group.
                              Last edited by Sourdough; 10-12-2018, 04:31 PM.
                              One day you eat the chicken.....next day the left-over chicken.....next five days you eat chicken feathers, head and feet.

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