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  • Doomsday Preppers & Pathological Prepping - Addiction?

    I fear that Doomsday Preppers is making a laughingstock out of people who are "sensible preppers." And that begs us to ask two very interesting questions. What is sensible prepping and what is driving the behavior of the people on this show?

    Sensibility? Now every one needs to make their own risk assessments based on where they live. That's fine. Live in a flood area? Nuke plant? Bad weather can seal you up for a week? That's all very sensible to prepare for. But what the people on this TV show are doing is preparing for the improbable. Not the impossible mind you, but the improbable. And herein lies the catch. You can't say with 100% certitude that whatever calamity these people fear won't happen. And very often people like this think that's the answer that justifies their behavior. NatGeo may be failing to portray "typical preppers" but they're smart to lay out the odds against the Armageddon these people fear. Super Volcanos? EMP? Nuclear war? Crazy deadly flu? Hyperinflation? All unlikely. But you can't say it won't ever happen. A black hole could wander into our solar system and screw us all up, but the odds are, forgive the pun, astronomical. Sure, they'll say, "Noah was the first prepper! And they all thought he was nuts." My reply to that - you have delusions of grandeur.

    Motivation? Judging from what I've seen of the program most of the people on it are suffering from a type of mental problem. Don't roll your eyes just yet. Look at the facts that came from their own mouths. The liquor for trade guy said he spent $400 a week on preps. Another guy, the one with the bunker in Utah, said he doesn't do sports or hobbies anymore. He just runs constant risk assessments. Somebody else said they spent well over $10000 on preps in a couple of years! For most of these people, prepping is an all-consuming passion. If the show is to be believed at face value, these people spend and awful lot of time doing it! And what the program has not shown us is the social cost some of these people are paying for their activities. Notice how some family photos were blurred? Sure, some of the digitally scrambled might be a secret black operator somewhere, but I think the some of them are just embarrassed. Who have these preppers driven away? Not sheeple, but real people who think they are plum crazy?

    If you look at questionnaires that mental health professionals use to screen for addictions, just remove "gambling" "sex" "drugs" or "booze" and insert "prepping. Here's a checklist I cobbled together using one from Gambler's Anonymous.

    1) Has prepping ever made your home life unhappy?

    2) Has prepping affected your reputation?

    3) Have you ever felt remorse after prepping?

    4) After a prepping shopping trip, did you have a strong urge to return and buy more more? Just gotta get one more flashlight!

    5) Have you ever sold anything to finance prepping?

    6) Were you reluctant to use "prepping money" for normal expenditures?

    7) Have you ever prepped longer than you had planned? (Like using all your free time? Your vacation?)

    8) Have you ever prepped to escape worry, trouble, boredom or loneliness?

    9) Have you ever committed, or considered committing, an illegal act with regards to prepping? I'll leave this one for the tactical guys.

    10) Does prepping get in the way of activities you once enjoyed? (I took that one from a depression checklist, but it applies here as well.)

    Many of the people on Doomsday Preppers are addicts. Prepping can be an addiction. I worked in mental health for years and, let me tell you, people can get addicted to anything - throwing up, cutting oneself, the Internet, porn - you name it. And it can happen with preppers too. And in some respects pathological prepping is very similar to hoarding. Hoarders amass inordinate amounts of stuff as a sort of buffer against psychological pain - as if the piles of food, clothing, furniture (Or dogs, cats, birds!) they surround themselves with can keep bad things from happening. And, when you try and get a hoarder to part with an item, they’ll often cringe saying, “I may need that one day.” For a day that will probably never come. That's delusional thinking - so we’ve come back full circle to sensibility. Part of delusional thinking is not being able apprehend reality as it is, like the odds of a thing happening and the level of one's response to that thing. And the overarching a hallmark of a hoarder? When you talk to them they come across as rational people. It's only when you shine a light on the negative consequences of their behavior (Or try and get into their house/bunker to check on them) that they flip out. Most of the people on the show sound rational, but some of their behaviors are not. And we've only seen carefully edited footage.

    Having a relative who is a hoarder, I can say that her problem has repelled most of her friends and family to the point where she is now a very lonely and ill person. I fear some of the people on this show have, or are developing, serious problems.

    Now some people have lots of stuff. That doesn’t make them hoarders. Some people play lotto. That doesn’t make them gambling addicts. Many of us prep, and most of us are probably very mentally healthy. But prepping has a dark side. And it’s good to stare that reality in the face. My two cents. YMMV.

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    For me prepping has become a life style/ habit. That is to say I've become more thoughtful about my purchases and consider the ramifications of them. It at first caused my wife to roll her eyes but never scared or worried her. We have small grand children and I think it's important to be able to care for them. We have a BOL plan and location. Security is covered not out of fear, but love and concern. I run my own business and go to church and live a normal life that includes prepping. But I do agree some of the Dooms Day preppers are kinda far out there, but I think it's a deliberate plan by the producers of the show to make us all look crazy and out of touch. No suprise though it's what I posted early on that it would be, prior to the show ever airing.
    You don't have to be perfect, but you better be smart!!!

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    • #3
      While I fully understand your premise, and much of what you say and have observed is certainly true, please do not loose the perspective that NatGeo wants viewers, and I imagine if one researched you would find at least a thread of desire within that organization to make "preppers" appear mentally ill by incorporating just such individuals into the program.

      I watched the first episode, scoffed at the imbecility of it all, and went and read the remainder of the evening other than punishing myself further by continuing to watch the program.

      I don't think that sane individuals would open themselves up to this sort of scrutiny.

      edit: (I had to slip out early this morning and didn't quite have time to finish, so here goes once again.)

      Prepping (I now hate that term), or better, self-sufficiency, is both a mind set and life style, but it does not have to be a public one, and it does not have to dominate every waking hour of the individual.

      I will be 61 in a few weeks. I have been working out on a regular basis - several times per week at a local gym - since my late 20's. Am I obsessed with it? Am I exhibiting symptoms of mental illness over it? No to both questions. I simply realized the importance of a healthy lifestyle and physical fitness, and it has become part of my lifestyle. I am healthier and have seldom needed to access the healthcare system over the years.

      OTOH, I know people who are so "eat up" with college or professional sports that their entire day is consumed by it. They buy and wear the hats and jerseys... their conversations are shot through with sports talk... they pay exorbitant monthly costs to have access to every game at home. Is something "wrong" with these people? You be the judge

      I agree with the OP on the premise that too often those who realize they need to become more secure and self-sufficient migrate from events that are likely to occur - severe weather events, for instance - to the wacky bazaar stuff like alien invasion. I try to "keep it real" in any preparations I make or have made. I know, for instance, that there is just no way for me to prepare for an EMP event if the results are anything like what has been discussed. Who really can? If you are not already living a stone age subsistence existence within some tribal structure in an area that can support you, we are all screwed after such an event.

      I am a realist. I know the risks where I live and where I travel, and I take the necessary precautions to reduce those risks to myself and to my family by staying informed, staying alert, and developing skills that will assist me. I'm certain most of you are doing the exact same thing. Don't let the media's parade of the bazaar shame or intimidate you from what you know you need to do.
      Last edited by jezcruzen; 02-17-2012, 10:59 AM.

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      • #4
        Everyone for years and years knew that New Orleans was below the sea level and would never flood do to the work the US Govt has done! No one every thought that it could happen just like the US having another 3 mile island incident. WELL it did happen and the majority of people were caught unprepared. Ask any of them that lived through it how they think today!!! They are 110% for prepping for the next major flood!!! They may be fooled once but never twice.

        If people find that they have fears of the unknown disasters and they want to prep for them, let them, they are not hurting my family, nor yours. If it gives them comfort like a baby's blanket let em have it!!!!!

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        • #5
          Yeah I think the show is a good reminder of the importance of perspective and probability. All things in moderation.

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          • #6
            Personally, I do not purchase anything that my family doesn't use either daily or for camping, etc. I do maintain plenty of extra supplies as a precaution. (we also live in a semi rural area that does lose power for days sometimes & do get snowed in more often than I'd like). I never choose preps over paying a bill or taking the kids to the movies.
            Also, if the shtf, I will be in a position to help others who are in need, not at the cost of my children or grandchildren going without, but all the same I will be charitable.
            Your point is well received as I can see how prepping could turn easily into hoarding for some people. There is a fine line that some can not see & therefore cross it.
            My question for you is, Are you a 'prepper'? If you aren't, what is your purpose, respectfuuly, on this forum? I do appreciate your post, as it could really help someone out if they're prepardedness is getting out of control & adversely effecting their life & family.
            It seems to me that the members who have been on this forum for more than a month are very passionate for preparing for whatever disaster(s) they have a genuine concern. I have learned so many things on this forum and I am truly thankful I found it.
            Please let me stress that I mean not disrespect to you & I am grateful that you are concerned enough to look out for others, thank you.
            Action expresses priorities!!!!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PrepPadawan View Post

              If you look at questionnaires that mental health professionals use to screen for addictions, just remove "gambling" "sex" "drugs" or "booze" and insert "prepping. Here's a checklist I cobbled together using one from Gambler's Anonymous.

              1) Has prepping ever made your home life unhappy?

              2) Has prepping affected your reputation?

              3) Have you ever felt remorse after prepping?

              4) After a prepping shopping trip, did you have a strong urge to return and buy more more? Just gotta get one more flashlight!

              5) Have you ever sold anything to finance prepping?

              6) Were you reluctant to use "prepping money" for normal expenditures?

              7) Have you ever prepped longer than you had planned? (Like using all your free time? Your vacation?)

              8) Have you ever prepped to escape worry, trouble, boredom or loneliness?

              9) Have you ever committed, or considered committing, an illegal act with regards to prepping? I'll leave this one for the tactical guys.

              10) Does prepping get in the way of activities you once enjoyed? (I took that one from a depression checklist, but it applies here as well.)
              I think you're right, one could take these questions and insert any activity for "prepping" and determine there are issues in a person's life. Most people are "addicted" to something. Strange behavior permeates our society. Ever been to a professional football game? Quite frankly, I'm more put off by people who are addicted to their smart phones than people who are putting food in their basements.

              "Has a sports team ever made your life unhappy?"
              "Has Facebook ever affected your reputation?"
              "Have you ever sold something to buy another part for your hot rod?"

              And on it goes. Just because people choose to prepare for something, I agree with RichFL, that is their business. In fact, some of the folks in the show are talking about helping their community if the scenario they're prepping for ever does happen.

              Some people who are considered geniuses in our world today have some odd behaviors. The problem people have with people who attempt to be self-sufficient is that they fear folks who are willing to get by on their own without Uncle Sam's help. That attitude is sadly becoming more and more "strange" in our culture today. I think it is interesting that none of those folks are spending food stamp money, they are using their own cash. I don't mind the guy in North Carolina spending $200 a week on stocking booze as long as it is his money and not my tax dollars. I do get hosed when I see the guy in line at the store buying junk with his food stamp money!! Sorry, I'm ranting.

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              • #8
                Obviously, some preppers are paranoid and some are compulsive / obsessive as well. But, that doesn't mean that everyone of us are mentally ill. I think that it is sort of a lifestyle as well and people emerce themselves in it just like any other lifestyle.

                If you were a golfer, chances are you buy a vehicle that can hold sets of golf clubs in the trunk and you wear golf style clothes and purchase clubs and golf balls all the time. You may have a goal of buying a home on a golf course or owning you own gold cart...You "talk" golf with your friends and family... et cetera

                If you were a hunter, same thing you'd buy a 4 x 4 truck and a 4 wheeler...You'd wear realtree and mossy oak clothes...You'd buy guns, ammo, bows, arrows, scopes...you's talk hunting with your friends/ family...same stuff basically

                I'm certainly no expert at psychology, but I try to apply common sense to prepping....If I could offer any advice to prepping families it would be...1). Do not push the "world is coming to an end" ideaology on your family and friends, but especailly to your young children.....2). Try to have goals and limits with prepping....With how much to spend, what to buy and how much to aquire....I have ideas (and there not perfect or right for everyone) about how much food, water, gasoline, guns, ammo and equipment my family will need and once I get to that level with any one of those I stop and focus on something I m short on....I would imagine that by the end of this year my prepping room will be near full with the basics....

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                • #9
                  I can see where prepping could become an addiction. Anything can but I would feel much more comfortable around a compulsive prepper than a drug addict. Just saying...

                  I also agree that the shows are just after ratings and crazy usually trumps common sense when it comes to that. Not that those people are mental but some creative editing can make anything/anybody look crazy.

                  After over a century of Uncle Sam reaching deeper and deeper into our lives, most people have bought the "trust us, we'll take care of everything" and they look at those of us that are self-reliant like an alien from another planet. Which expains the ratings...
                  Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.

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                  • #10
                    Nat Geo even stated on thier web site that they choose the title Doomsday Preppers because no one would watch a show titled preppers, so I believe they went for the people who would attract viewers. Kinda like the Jerry Springer show, lots of viewers and there was always some sensational story because know one would watch ordinary, everyday life. The other thing is the people that appeared on Doomsday Preppers reminded me of the people who appeared on Jerry Springer, they went on the show for the attention. 99.9% of true preppers would never violate their opsec by appearing on tv for the world to see. I don't, and I am sure most do not broadcast the fact they are a prepper. This is not because we are addicted, dilusional or ashamed but because we don't want the whole extended family and everyone in the neighborhood knocking on the door because they did not have the foresight to be prepared for whatever mother nature may bring our way. I agree with the general premise of the origional post and I do see how people can take it to the extreme, but I also see the need to be prepared. You can pick your poison as to what may happen in your area and you will be better off than most of the other people for almost any possible scenario. Trying to prepare for the end of the world due to a biblical disaster is against logic because what good is it going to due if the world ends. Many prepping related activities can be good family activities that are much better than vegging out in front of the tv, computer or video game and can also make people take a closer look into finances and how they look at debt. Many preppers consider being debt free or as much so as possible, an important part of their prepping as buying food, gear and guns. Some people feel comfotable with 72 hours, some with 2 weeks, 3 months, a year and some even more than that. Each persons perspective as to what they need is different and as I see it, to each his own as long as they are not causing me any problems. I keep all my debts current, we still do family activities and yes I continue to expand my preps with the hope and prayer that none of it will be needed due to some calamity. I sure do sleep better at night knowing that if some disater should strike our area that we can stay warm, dry, well fed and secure.
                    Failure to prepare for what may happen will mean you will fail when it does!

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                    • #11
                      In my own honest opinion, everyone is a prepper, its just the level as to what they take serious, i mean think of it, you have 15 rolls of toilet paper, enough to last you, 2 weeks? or what ever you feel is comfortable at, and that is your level. my father would think 15 is way to many and only need two, on the other hand my wife would start to panic if we got down to 15, and run out and buy a 24 pack! the only thing that really divides normal civilization from a prepper would be that a prepper would be ready if they lost power or heat, where as anyone else would call the power company to get there @$$ out to fix the problem! Connecticut lost power for over a week during hurricane Irene. well at least we did for 5 days, so we broke out the camp gear, blocked off half the house to keep the heat in the two rooms, was kinda fun, never left the house, to raid the stores, only time we left was to walk to the neighbors to use there shower, since they had hot water since they had gas... JR
                      Stupidity And Unnecessary Roughness Will Over Come Any Situation! JR

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                      • #12
                        I would have to agree with Ridgerunner. No way would I want all my neighbors and friends to know I'm a prepper. One guy showed him walking into his garage and a hidden room in the back and said only a few people know about his hidden cache. Now every one knows. He might have a lot of guns but I'm sure a lot of people around him have guns, and I would rather know one know about it. I have guns and would not hesitate to shoot any one breaking into my house or cache. I would not hesitate to kill any one causing harm to my family. But I don't want to give any one a reason to try.

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                        • #13
                          pathological or not I shure do envy some of them and a lot of others will in an emergency
                          NONSOLIS RADIOS SEDIOUIS FULMINA MITTO

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                          • #14
                            I really liked this post, and it had me thinking, looking at myself and my husband. We are young I am 24 and he is 25, my dad has been preparing for a collapse for years and years, and me being a cocky teenage girl i always thought he was crazy, and my friends would laugh, he always told me that i can laugh now but he will be the one saving my ass later, and i thank him for it now. My inlaws think that me and my husband are "consumed" i giggle about it and ask them why arent they doing what they can to be prepared? there is nothing stopping them, but i made a very good point to them and told them that i spoke with someone about a collapse and their response was that "well i believe in god and i know where i am going when i die so there is no need for me to do those silly things"... i said thats okay i believe in god too, but dont think he is going to strike you dead as soon as we go to war, no you have to get out there and fight for your life like he would want you to. the person just stared at me lol. i finally got through to my inlaws and they are making some efforts to be involved, my mother inlaw is actually attending a survival garden class that lasts 8 hours today! I am so proud of her. when the time comes i refuse to be caught with my pants down and un prepared i will survive and my child will know how to survive in the wilderness when there is nothing. and about it being an addiction, i guess idont know where i stand., my husband and i talk of things that could and will happen all the time, but we dont sell our mattress to buy freeze dried food, we live normal lives, but we get out there and learn as much as we can! i refuse to be the ignorant one in the end. :)

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                            • #15
                              What was once the norm is now the outer fringe. Collectively we are a nation of weak minded, helpless peasants who are quick to reach out a needy hand but just as quick to strike with outrage.

                              The media is making self reliance a circus act and those who for now, find this "fashionable" are fueling the machine. Help those you can and walk away from those who would attempt to ridicule.

                              O.W.
                              Things are seldom what they seem.

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