Terrorists in India

[Rustyshakelford]

Rusty,

It is one thing to learn and glean tactics and strategy from all sources; I fully agree with that. At very least, you can use them to think up countering tactics and strategy or at most, you can use them yourself. (Provided, of course, that the tactics and strategies are compatible with upholding innocent life, liberty, and property.)

Fortunately, however, it is possible to learn and glean tactics and strategy from a safe distance via history, intel, and reconaissance. It is neither necessary nor ethical to make common cause with ideologies and powers that have starved, enslaved, tortured, and murdered tens and hundreds of millions.

As for sources of logistics and munitions, I think that a smart independence movement that wants to succeed, remain true to principle, and uncorrupt by tyrants needs to build, line up, and secure it's own sources and means of production well before even the first demonstration, let alone the first shots fired.

Although the American Revolutionaries did make common cause with France, we could have just as easily told them: "No thanks, Louis. We've got plenty of graveyards and saltpeter pits for gunpowder...And we're big-pant people too, so we don't need p!ss-boys to go with us to the toilet."

:D ;)

One thing we do need to remember, is that many of the founding fathers were self serving, and were scoundrals in their own sense. Many saw the advantages of an independent nation, where they would be able to guide policies. That being said, they did set up a system where we all profited. But, true to principals? I think not. Best for most people? You bet.

[TheUnboundOne]

Rusty,

It is one thing to learn and glean tactics and strategy from all sources; I fully agree with that. At very least, you can use them to think up countering tactics and strategy or at most, you can use them yourself. (Provided, of course, that the tactics and strategies are compatible with upholding innocent life, liberty, and property.)

Fortunately, however, it is possible to learn and glean tactics and strategy from a safe distance via history, intel, and reconaissance. It is neither necessary nor ethical to make common cause with ideologies and powers that have starved, enslaved, tortured, and murdered tens and hundreds of millions.

As for sources of logistics and munitions, I think that a smart independence movement that wants to succeed, remain true to principle, and uncorrupt by tyrants needs to build, line up, and secure it's own sources and means of production well before even the first demonstration, let alone the first shots fired.

Although the American Revolutionaries did make common cause with France, we could have just as easily told them: "No thanks, Louis. We've got plenty of graveyards and saltpeter pits for gunpowder...And we're big-pant people too, so we don't need p!ss-boys to go with us to the toilet."

:D ;)

[Rustyshakelford]

Rusty,

One thing that would make me averse to supporting the Tamil Tigers is thst there are ties between the Tamil liberation movement and Palestinian and Marxist/Leninist terrorists.

Lots of movements tie themselves with undesireable folks when in the throws of tossing off their chains. We, as Americans, allied ourselves with the Frenchies when we declared independence. A favorite quote of mine is from somewhat of a tyrant, Otto Von Bismark. He said (when speaking of the German unification of the Diet) "When the pot boils, the scum floats to the surface". THis holds true for the leaders that arise, and the alliances made. It is not who one allies oneself with to achieve your goals, it is what is done when those goals are reached! The Tamil Tigers are, in my opinion, just wanting what most people desire. The right to self determination and the freedom to worship as they see fit. Is that not what our grievances were with the English? They do have their share of bad folks though.

[Rustyshakelford]

[QUOTE=TheUnboundOne;2203]Rusty,

You are basically correct, but I'm missing a connection here. Is there something I said that seems to contradict what you said?

QUOTE]
Not at all. Just tossing more tinder on the blaze.

[TheUnboundOne]

Rusty,

One thing that would make me averse to supporting the Tamil Tigers is thst there are ties between the Tamil liberation movement and Palestinian and Marxist/Leninist terrorists.

[TheUnboundOne]

Rusty,

You are basically correct, but I'm missing a connection here. Is there something I said that seems to contradict what you said?

:confused:

For the record, just because the Islamofascists view the world in "True Believer vs. unbeliever" terms doesn't make them right for doing so.

Also, for man, the rational animal, life and liberty are inalienable, which means that life and liberty are of a single piece. Man's life must be free or it is not the life of a man at all. As long as he is man, man must live or die being free.

[Rustyshakelford]

Diesel,

You wrote:



Therein lies the fallacy. Islamofascist terrorists do not need any reason or grievance to be pissed off. If a person is not a part of the Islamic Ummah (world community,) or if they are deemed to be "Apostate," that is sufficient grounds for Islamofascists to exterminate that person.

And, of course, Islam has had it in for India for centuries and nearly took India over completely at one point in history. The atrocities inflicted by Islamic invaders and rulers upon Hindu India were so horrible, that some refer to them as part of an ongoing "Hindu Holocaust."

And yet we identify another problem with society. Americans have been so thought controlled that we will not say that something is evil. We have been told there is no right or wrong, only shades of grey. We cannot say that something is good, or bad. It is better to be destroyed then to "offend" anyone. We also emphasize life over liberty. Not too many folks are willing to die for what is right, because they do not believe in right or wrong, and only feel that life is the utimate right thing. I for one, disagree. There are things worth dying for. Probably always will be. The problem is identifying them, and be willing to die, not kill, for that belief.

[TheUnboundOne]

Diesel,

You wrote:

never saw this coming, wonder who they pissed off and why

Therein lies the fallacy. Islamofascist terrorists do not need any reason or grievance to be pissed off. If a person is not a part of the Islamic Ummah (world community,) or if they are deemed to be "Apostate," that is sufficient grounds for Islamofascists to exterminate that person.

And, of course, Islam has had it in for India for centuries and nearly took India over completely at one point in history. The atrocities inflicted by Islamic invaders and rulers upon Hindu India were so horrible, that some refer to them as part of an ongoing "Hindu Holocaust."

[Rustyshakelford]

Just wanna know who this guy is fooling. He does not LOOK like a pigeon:rolleyes: and if you are gonna hide in a bunch of pigeons, should you not at least try and wear "pigeonflage indian pattern"??????:confused:

Well, they are Indians, at least an Eagle feather headress is in order.
:D

[Rustyshakelford]

I know one thing this guy is thinking; he's thinking "Holly cow crap, now every terrorist on the planet knows what I look like." BTW the late 70's hair style is quite flattering on him. I wonder if he has a liesure suit and platform shoes at home? I hope he has hair clippers a false beard and sunglasses, he'll need em now.
AS to the Tamil Tigers: I havent heard from them in years, I think they got hammered really bad after the Tsumami, it's a hard row to hoe if your a Christian in a Muslem country, but India is not Muslim it is 80% Hindu and Christian, Jew, Buddist etc. not exactly a target for the Tigers.

I only tossed them into the mix because they are (or were) a pretty major player in the area. They are one of the few "terrorist" groups in the area that I consider to be freedom fighters. But you are correct. They do not really have much of a beef with the Indians.

[kenno]

I know one thing this guy is thinking; he's thinking "Holly cow crap, now every terrorist on the planet knows what I look like." BTW the late 70's hair style is quite flattering on him. I wonder if he has a liesure suit and platform shoes at home? I hope he has hair clippers a false beard and sunglasses, he'll need em now.
AS to the Tamil Tigers: I havent heard from them in years, I think they got hammered really bad after the Tsumami, it's a hard row to hoe if your a Christian in a Muslem country, but India is not Muslim it is 80% Hindu and Christian, Jew, Buddist etc. not exactly a target for the Tigers.

[Zombie Axe]

Just wanna know who this guy is fooling. He does not LOOK like a pigeon:rolleyes: and if you are gonna hide in a bunch of pigeons, should you not at least try and wear "pigeonflage indian pattern"??????:confused:

[Rustyshakelford]

Casualties are approaching 500 and fighting is still going on at the Taj Mahal Hotel after 57 hours!
These are the reasons that I believe that there were more than 40 assailants and that there might still be a Big Ending to this attack.
This assualt was planned for months, the terrorists were trained for months, assets were placed in the hotels and 8 other targets were scrutinized for months ahead of the coordinated sea-land assualt.
The sea assualt was launched from a high-jacked ship.
There was apparently a terrorist Comand and Control Center controling man-power and providing sit-reps to the terrorists via 2-way in Mumbie.
The attacks occured nearly at the same time. A police vechicle was used to move terrorists to different targets.
The Police C-N-C was disrupted.
The timing of the attack occures when both Pakistan and the US leadership are in flux and India is approaching an election.
A very well executed attack by anyone's standards, posibably the best since the murder of the UN rep in Bagdad.

One thing I have not heard mentioned is the Tamil Tigers. I have checked in on their "progress" for the last few years. However, in my opinion, they probably would not resort to attacking civilians, or using terrorist tactics. There are many sites that call them terrorists, and even credit them with suicide bombings. I have had a small amount of sympathy for them, but do not condone suicide attacks.

http://www.tamiltigers.net/

[kenno]

Casualties are approaching 500 and fighting is still going on at the Taj Mahal Hotel after 57 hours!
These are the reasons that I believe that there were more than 40 assailants and that there might still be a Big Ending to this attack.
This assualt was planned for months, the terrorists were trained for months, assets were placed in the hotels and 8 other targets were scrutinized for months ahead of the coordinated sea-land assualt.
The sea assualt was launched from a high-jacked ship.
There was apparently a terrorist Comand and Control Center controling man-power and providing sit-reps to the terrorists via 2-way in Mumbie.
The attacks occured nearly at the same time. A police vechicle was used to move terrorists to different targets.
The Police C-N-C was disrupted.
The timing of the attack occures when both Pakistan and the US leadership are in flux and India is approaching an election.
A very well executed attack by anyone's standards, posibably the best since the murder of the UN rep in Bagdad.

[Rustyshakelford]

I just kicked the idiot box on after having been out of communication all day. This crap is still going on. Unbelievable. They need to mop this crap up. I thought the Indian military could get some battle hardened guys since they have been mixing it up with the Paki's for the last umpteen years.