California Missle Launch?

[slowz1k]

I'm sure everyone heard about this. If not here's a link to Becks website with the news footage.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/47864/

So what's your take on this?
Foreign Sub launch off California coast to show how close they can get?
US Sub launch to flex our muscles?
Just an optical illusion caused by an airliners contrail?
Naval test launch?
Somebody pushed the wrong button?

Just making conversation. Tighten up your tin foil and tell us your thoughts.


For what it's worth, I'm leaning towards "Foreign sub launch as a threat of what's possible"
But I'm almost always wrong. :cool:

[Robot]

I think this is a statement, timing is everything, Barry is out of the Country. I'm more concerned over the lack of concern/information than the incident itself.

Latest information: Just a contrail from a jet ;)

[nakadnu]

I find it hard to believe that is anything but a missile. Our current administration will keep this under wraps and play it off as a mirage or innocent mistake for fear of offending our enemies.

[nakadnu]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40112161/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001

Latest update. A pentagon spokesman said it took 36 hours to investigate what this might be, REALLY!

[monet861]

It could easily be a mistake on our part. While I was on ship about 20 years ago, one of the cruisers in our battle group accidently fired 2 sea sparrow missles and hit a Turkish destroyer one night. I do not think it ever made the American papers.

[Survivorman]

[Skyowl's Wife]

I was reading about this earlier today. What hasn't been discussed is that this is like the 3rd one seen, and one of those was off the East Coast.

Missle? All I know for sure is that if they nuke Southern California, Skyowl and I are in the fallout path.

http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/NBC/FEMA.fallout.map.html

[Long_Hunter]

Saw another thread pop on this subject and thought I would comment. Two posts follow, one is a comment from a retired Air Force BG the other is a link on contrails. Take it all in and decide for yourself, but there are some facts I am aware of that you should also consider:
1. NORAD did not record a missle launch from anywhere near LA on that day and the National Military Command Center did not convene a National Event Conference- those are facts that DoD is incapable of hiding as too mnay folks are involved in them and are required by law to be notified (unless you are deep into conspiracy theories and think the "shadow" government hid the whole thing).
2. Vertical and horizontal contrails... ones perception is ones reality; vertical and horizontal can be amazingly deceptive based on your viewing location.

RLTW!
LH

[Long_Hunter]

This is a post from another site that provides one perspective, from someone with credentials; the next reply contains another perspective from folks with credentials, you decide. :cool: LH


Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may.
I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself.
First, in hope of adding some credibility to my assessment of what really happened just off the coast of Los Angeles let me convey a bit of my background which can be checked easily by going to Google and typing in my name. An Air Force biography will appear.
During the late 1980s I was assigned to NORAD, as a command director initially and later as the assistant director of operations for NORAD. The NORAD operation was located inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex just outside Colorado Springs, Colo. Twenty-four hours a day a team of approximately 150 highly trained individuals, led by a brigadier general, monitored one of the most sophisticated computer systems in the world. This system was fed data from many different sensors that were able to detect missile shots from any point on the globe.
All this data was taken into consideration when making the “assessment” as whether or not North America and/or Canada were threatened by such a launch. If the launch was assessed as a true threat, the president was contacted immediately by NORAD through a military individual always close to the president who carried what we called “the football,” a black briefcase with release codes for our nuclear forces. I know the system well, as for near three years I led one of those teams.
In addition, for over 25 years, I flew U.S. Air Force fighters to include the F-106, F-4, F-15, F-16, and commanded an F-15 Squadron and an F-16 Wing. The sole purpose of the F-106 assignment was to maintain an ability to become airborne in minutes to intercept inbound bombers posing a threat to the U.S. mainland. Untold hours were spent studying and being tested on visually identifying an air-to-air threat to include its type and threat potential.
Based on such, I understand very well the difference between an aircraft contrail and a missile launch contrail.
In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general within minutes, and passed to the president immediately. That is the way the system works, and heads fall if there is a failure. This is one of the most important tenets of national defense and its sole purpose of protecting the American people. Even the smallest failure in this system gets intense scrutiny at the highest level.
Now, the question that still must be answered is why NORAD’s muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail. This decision was made far above the four-star level, and because the system in place demands it, was made by the president himself.
There are many possible answers to the question why. Normally, when a situation of this nature occurs the decision-makers in Washington feel it would create panic among the mere mortals who go to work every day. To avoid shocking the population the truth is shaded, or sometimes just kept quiet in hopes it will just go away. I would say to our government officials who disregard the intelligence of the American people, be careful. The people are awakening, and their trust in our government is fading. This level of decision-making will hasten that process.
In my opinion we must question the timing of this shot across our bow. The president was abroad being diplomatic, which means trying to placate China which is becoming highly concerned with our handling of a totally out-of-control deficit. They do not want our debt to them be paid in cheapened U.S. dollars, and it appears that our current plan is to do just that. China is devoting a major portion of their GDP to defense spending, and what better time to show the U.S. that they can slip a missile-equipped submarine through the South Pacific undetected right up to one of our largest cities, than right now. And the Chinese have the guts to do it.
Important in my opinion is that once again the leader of this nation chose to disguise the truth and keep the American people in the dark on an issue that constitutes a major threat to the entire population of the United States of America. This is no longer a threat to only our military thousands of miles from the homeland. This is a show of force sending a signal that downtown USA is now capable of being hit by an undetected submarine and at any time. It may very well be the beginning of the real power struggle between the United States and China. If so, I predict the next phase will be China’s demand for the U.S. to cease support of Taiwan, and so it goes.
President Obama is getting in over his head once again on this one. Hiding the severity of issues we face with China to include this possible signal of strength is a terrible mistake. It is happening at a time that our secretary of defense, under the guidance of the president, is literally gutting our military forces. We have seen it already when the F-22 buy was cut from over 600 aircraft to 187, and research and development for follow-on systems severely reduced. This is but one of hundreds of examples of military reductions. I fear that this could be another reason for the cover-up. If the American people fully realized the severity of the threat they might demand restoring our military to face the growing threat from China and Russia, as opposed to the massive domestic spending that we have witnessed over the past two years.
So, where does this leave us? Again, the people must decide and place pressure on the government to ensure that our national security remains intact. Military strength prevents war. Military weakness invites not only war, but also a lack of deterrence for intervention and bullying on many fronts.
If there was ever a time for the people to look closely at the national leadership and demand honesty and integrity, it is now. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. At issue is electing those who have the ability to make proper decisions for our country, and will do so with no regard to their own personal gain. It is time to elect a president and a Congress who will put country above self, and defend this great nation against all enemies, foreign or domestic, and above all be honest with the people who honored them with election to high office.

Jim Cash, of Lakeside, Mont., is a retired brigadier general in the U.S. Air Force.

[Long_Hunter]

add in the exact radar track of Flight UPS902 from Nov 8th, 2010

Now take a look at this site and what they have put together.

http://contrailscience.com/

RLTW!
LH

[Skyowl's Wife]

I've seen some real arguments elsewhere between the it-was-a-missle people and the it-was-an-airplane people. Skyowl and I went and watched the video.

Between the two retired generals who said it's a two-stage missle and our eyeing the video, we are convinced (no question in our minds) that it was a missle.

Also heard a rumor elsewhere that the journalist got an anonymous tip to watch the sky at that time.

I believe the Chinese were sending a not-so-subtle message to our so-called leadership. We figure BO hid under his bed and crapped his pants.