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    I found this from another site. Read it and thought "This is just plain Stupid"!!!
    Who are these people?????


    Not that kind, at least not yet, but the normal kind.

    http://www.classicalvalues.com/archi...ere_you_2.html

    I don't know what all is in that bill, but last night when I was researching something else I stumbled upon just one teensy provision of the bill -- an amendment to the Lacey Act which received no media attention at all, and isn't receiving any now.

    This amendment deals with illegal plants -- the primary thrust being illegal wood. Henceforth, all wood is to be a federally regulated, suspect substance. Either raw wood, lumber, or anything made of wood, from tables and chairs, to flooring, siding, particle board, to handles on knives, baskets, chopsticks, or even toothpicks has to have a label naming the genus and species of the tree that it came from and the country of origin. Incorrect labeling becomes a federal felony, and the law does not just apply to wood newly entering the country, but any wood that is in interstate commerce within the country. Here are some excerpts from a summary:

    The Lacey Act now makes it unlawful to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce any plant, with some limited exceptions, taken in violation of the laws of a U.S. State, or any foreign law that protects plants. The Lacey Act also makes it unlawful to make or submit any false record, account or label for, or any false identification of, any plant.
    The definition of the term "plant" includes "any wild member of the plant kingdom, including roots, seeds, parts, and products thereof, and including trees from either natural or planted forest stands."

    [...]

    Anyone who imports into the United States, or exports out of the United States, illegally harvested plants or products made from illegally harvested plants, including timber, as well as anyone who exports, transports, sells, receives, acquires or purchases such products in the United States, may be prosecuted. In any prosecution under the Lacey Act, the burden of proof of a violation rests on the government.

    [...]

    Violations of Lacey Act provisions for timber and other plant products, as well as fish and wildlife, may be prosecuted through either civil or criminal enforcement actions. Regardless of any prosecution, the tainted plants may be seized and forfeited.

    Everyone means everyone, which includes every reader of this blog.
    Obviously, this means that in the future, the Fish and Game guys will be able to accompany SWAT Team raiders to check all wood in homes and businesses for possible violations. Even if they're wrong in their suspicions about the wood, it can still be confiscated. (Might that be a goal? To beef up employment at Fish and Game?)

    Just think about the law enforcement possibilities alone. After kicking through and impounding your illegal wooden door, a federalized army of government termites could literally strip all wood paneling and flooring from every raided house as suspicious contraband, and haul away all the furniture, wood carvings, picture frames, tools, musical instruments! I can't think of a better harassment tool. The list of potentially regulated items is mind-boggling:
    emphasis added


    http://www.furnituretoday.com/articl..._Lacey_Act.php

    Enforcement for some products affected by the amendments was to have begun on Dec. 15 but was postponed until April 1. Enforcement for wood furniture will begin on July 1.

    A comment period for federal rulemaking on the amendments ended this week.

    Christopher Smith, a compliance specialist with Ikea Wholesale Inc. in Westhampton, N.J., said in comments posted on a federal Web site that record-keeping requirements in the revised Lacey Act will overwhelm supply chains and cause the cost of wooden goods to skyrocket, unless the regulation is narrowed.


    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...raided+by+feds

    An international crackdown on the use of endangered woods from the world's rain forests to make musical instruments bubbled over to Music City on Tuesday with a federal raid on Gibson Guitar 's manufacturing plant, but no arrests.

    Agents of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service made a midday appearance and served a search warrant on company officials at Gibson's Massman Drive manufacturing plant, where it makes acoustic and electric guitars.

    Gibson issued a statement saying it is "fully cooperating with agents of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service as it pertains to an issue with harvested wood." The company said it did nothing wrong.

    Federal officials declined to say whether anything was removed from Gibson's plant or what specifically the agents were trying to find.
    Your opponet got stronger today, did you?
    {{unswydd-Of One Purpose}}

  • #2
    Imagine all the gun stocks they could go after with that law.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by unswydd View Post




      Christopher Smith, a compliance specialist with Ikea Wholesale Inc. in Westhampton, N.J., said in comments posted on a federal Web site that record-keeping requirements in the revised Lacey Act will overwhelm supply chains and cause the cost of wooden goods to skyrocket, unless the regulation is narrowed.

      Follow the money. I think this paragraph starts to hint where this is coming from. China, or someone, is upset I bet....

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      • #4
        That's very interesting friend. Hmmm...........makes a person wonder......
        Your opponet got stronger today, did you?
        {{unswydd-Of One Purpose}}

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        • #5
          Another way to make us all look like criminals. What happens if you buy antique furniture with wood from Africa or some sorts. They gonna take that to? What about firewood? People are going off grid, are they going to take their firewood so they have to have gov. oil.
          G.I.H.S.O. Going In Hot, Safety Off.

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          • #6
            And you guys don't think that there will be a revolution? :mad:

            If you are going to die you may as well die for something that you believe in.
            "If you don't hold it, you don't own it"... Ponce

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            • #7
              Well no matter how you look at it its a dangerous thing to do. To stand between a man and his wood.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Centurion View Post
                Well no matter how you look at it its a dangerous thing to do. To stand between a man and his wood.
                ROTFL, my first thought was if you mess with our wood you'll be guaranteed to get the wrong end, in a bad spot.:D

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                • #9
                  I wonder how many members, of congress heat their house with wood? Probably not many.
                  Those who would trade freedom for security will end up with neither.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dracos View Post
                    I wonder how many members, of congress heat their house with wood? Probably not many.
                    They make enough hot air on their own. They dont need our wood.

                    /John

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                    • #11
                      Well, lets see here, first of all, unswydd - Good find! Now I pay all my taxes, even when i disagree with them, I own my land, my houses and my wells without having a mortgage on anything so there might be a problem trying to take my firewood because of various lead issues.

                      Additionally, I strongly live by a phrase I picked up from the club, "Don't start no sh*t, there won't be no sh*t!" There's a lot of truth in that phrase and it covers practically everything. We're all humans here, I disagree with a lot of the rules and regulations we now have but I abide and purchase the necessary licensing and/or permits. The way I se it, we're all born with the human Right to fish without a license. We are human and fishing predates BS. Hunting, the same applies, in my mind. However, I can understand it if the "lake" were stocked with fish, need a license to fish in a stocked lake? Fine! Saltwater fishing license required? Back to BS. Now I'm only referring to personal fishing here and not commercial fishing. The same applies to hunting. Sure, we need restrictions, limits and such, otherwise, we'd have chaos and lose species left and right.

                      Sorry, it's easy to get distracted sometimes. Back to the topic - This past year, I have been collecting a lot of dead wood from the pine beetles so if someone were to take my wood, I think it'd be safe to say if they didn't handle it properly, their buildings could be infested. This takes us back to the saying from the club, "Don't start no sh*t, there won't be no sh*t! :D
                      Being unprepared is giving up!

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                      • #12
                        OK, I cant remember the number of the bill but i have written about it before. It concerns the Federal government and how it plans of ridding the country of the small farmer by using the interstate commerce clause which gives the Feds the right to regulate whatever it is.

                        The Feds will not be able to confiscate anyhting as long as the wood was not produced, harvested, or had any it used in the harvesting of it that was built/made out of state. If ANYTHING is used to harvest the wood then the wood falls under the interstate commerce clause and can be taken.

                        The interstate commerce clasue is capable of severely limiting the sale of everything in the country if the government decides to use it this way widespread.

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                        • #13
                          i agree with ya pioneer good job
                          the pack that plays together stays together

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