HR 1388 "The Give Act"

[Skyowl's Wife]

Barack Obama said he wanted a “national service corps” HR 1388 is trying to establish that corps.

Go to http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/111search.html and type in HR 1388 in the search box.

I don’t have to read anything but Title VI “Miscellaneous Provisions” of it to know this is NOT for America, it’s something out of time from Nazi Germany. It says, in part:

Part of Title VI says:

SEC. 6107. POWERS OF COMMISSION.

(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this title, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.

So they are going to "try" us? Receiving evidence? Act as they consider appropriate??

(b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.

And they may deputize others to act in their behalf?

(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this title.

What happened to "privacy"???

(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.

They can take your city hall or HOUSE, ladies and gentlemen!

My heart is pounding. CAN they get away with this???

[Lostinoz]

Let me add a bit more on here for folks to read. I am having flashes of Nazi Germany. We are in so much trouble. Again, mandatory does not equate volunteer. :mad:

SEC. 6104. DUTIES.

(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to--

(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;

(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;

(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and

(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.

(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.

(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.

(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.

(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.

(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal Government can effectively promote service among the `baby boomer' generation.

[cwconnertx]

Where do you find this stuff?

Again I am not a lawyer but deal with legislation and legal matters often...

What 6107(d) means is

The commision should establish an office in the capitol building, but should not use another agencies office if that agency must be given compensation out of the budget of the new commision to study how well this legislation is working once enacted.

Someone is trying to stoke the fear to a whole new level.

I don't trust the Federal government, and this is bad legislation but the section posted here is standard boilerplate for a lot of new legislation where they intend to study the effects. Believe me, it is wasteful, pointless, and bad legislation but does none of the things you are worried about. The powers for hearings and performing their duties are limited to those within the scope of their duties.

I worry more about the Obama youth running around getting indoctinated than some impotent committee studying it.

[Lostinoz]

Conner,

I believe that is what they are wanting to set up, a way to reach and indoctrinate the youth.

Is that far off the mark versus what I highlighted in my above post?

Oz

[Skyowl's Wife]

You don't fear these people?

I would also point out that they found a "right to abortion" in a shadow of a penumbra. No matter how you feel about abortion, how they got there is truely alarming. They can twist anything to mean anything and with the correct judge, it will stand.

[Skyowl's Wife]

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

I agree, Lost, it's more indoctrination.

In addition, the words "required" and "mandatory" violate the 13th amendment which says "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

CW? Notice of the HR was sent to me, the interpretation is mine.

[cwconnertx]

Conner,

I believe that is what they are wanting to set up, a way to reach and indoctrinate the youth.

Is that far off the mark versus what I highlighted in my above post?

Oz

The second part is the part ot be worried about, they plan to brainwash people to turn in their evil gun toting freedom loving parents.

The first part was typical administrative boilerplate, that second part is the scary part.

[cwconnertx]

I agree, Lost, it's more indoctrination.

In addition, the words "required" and "mandatory" violate the 13th amendment which says "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

CW? Notice of the HR was sent to me, the interpretation is mine.

Well I would not worry too much about the administrative provisions, those are harmless.

or to put in in mastercard terms

Another government commission... 50,000,000+,
handouts for college for national service $100,000,000+
Another hitler, uh I mean obama, youth... priceless, and f**king scary

[Skyowl's Wife]

The brainwashings only continue. They would like to have your children from 2 YO on. One of the provisions I read in there was about "private schools" and how they could step in and "assist" them in "joining" their corps.

They have referred to homeschoolers as being in "private schools". You read this last week about the NC mom ordered to put her kids in public school to give her kids a "perspective" different than the one she was supplying? Brainwashing.

And yes, they will be expected to tell their "instructors" if mommy and daddy have guns in the house or spank them. That's part of the UN resolution on the child which will make it illegal to either spank or "force" your child to go to church if they don't wish to.

Where is OUR "reset" button?

[cwconnertx]

The brainwashings only continue. They would like to have your children from 2 YO on. One of the provisions I read in there was about "private schools" and how they could step in and "assist" them in "joining" their corps.

They have referred to homeschoolers as being in "private schools". You read this last week about the NC mom ordered to put her kids in public school to give her kids a "perspective" different than the one she was supplying? Brainwashing.

And yes, they will be expected to tell their "instructors" if mommy and daddy have guns in the house or spank them. That's part of the UN resolution on the child which will make it illegal to either spank or "force" your child to go to church if they don't wish to.

Where is OUR "reset" button?

I hope the reset button is in the voting booth, I fear it may become the go boom button in the trigger guard

[Skyowl's Wife]

I hope the reset button is in the voting booth, I fear it may become the go boom button in the trigger guard

Me too. Am afraid we won't have much country left by the time the voting booth rolls around.

[herbalpagan]

Ok, I am a bit confused. I always believed that people should give to their community and country. I think that in some ways a stint at national service (similar to the peace corp) should be made manditory for most youth to instill in them good work ethic and a sense of community and charity.
I do not believe that the government should indoctrinate our children in any way. So, I am a bit confused. This legislation doesn't seem to leave much in the way of freedom or charity. Could someone explain to me why manditory community service is enslaving someone rather than helping them learn. I am not averse to understanding. From a parents point of view, I wouldn't let my children participate in many school programs that I thought were of the indoctrinating type, like DARE, group counseling sessions and so on.
I've just seen so many parents let their kids wander aimlessly and get in trouble for lack of guidance. While I think the majority of my kids wouldn't have needed this, a couple would have benefited from the work experience and structure. Am I just not seeing the picture with this?

[Lostinoz]

Ok, I am a bit confused. I always believed that people should give to their community and country. I think that in some ways a stint at national service (similar to the peace corp) should be made manditory for most youth to instill in them good work ethic and a sense of community and charity.
I do not believe that the government should indoctrinate our children in any way. So, I am a bit confused. This legislation doesn't seem to leave much in the way of freedom or charity. Could someone explain to me why manditory community service is enslaving someone rather than helping them learn. I am not averse to understanding. From a parents point of view, I wouldn't let my children participate in many school programs that I thought were of the indoctrinating type, like DARE, group counseling sessions and so on.
I've just seen so many parents let their kids wander aimlessly and get in trouble for lack of guidance. While I think the majority of my kids wouldn't have needed this, a couple would have benefited from the work experience and structure. Am I just not seeing the picture with this?

Well HP, you pretty much touched on it when you said that the majority of your kids would not have needed this, so, I believe it should be a parent's CHOICE for their child to participate and not made mandatory.

What it is leading to is taking away parental rights and having the government become the "parent" by teaching them what THEY would have the youth do with regards to "volunteer" work and "giving" to the community. Being forced to do something takes away from having the compassion or will to do this on their own. Sure, there are a lot of parents who don't give a rat's patootie what their kids do and I feel sorry for them, but it is not the government's place to raise children.

Once the government is invited in, it takes an army to get them out again, meaning into the homes of families.

NOW, that said, IF a person takes government aid for say college, then yes, perhaps a community work program would be good, but only if the person has the right to CHOOSE if that is the route they want to go. Take the loan, donate time. Don't take the loan, leave them alone..kind of thing.

The ones this legislation would have the most impact on are the ones who actually care about what their children learn, do, participate in, etc., as the choice to do so will be taken away. Just my opinion of course. :)

[cwconnertx]

Ok, I am a bit confused. I always believed that people should give to their community and country. I think that in some ways a stint at national service (similar to the peace corp) should be made manditory for most youth to instill in them good work ethic and a sense of community and charity.
I do not believe that the government should indoctrinate our children in any way. So, I am a bit confused. This legislation doesn't seem to leave much in the way of freedom or charity. Could someone explain to me why manditory community service is enslaving someone rather than helping them learn. I am not averse to understanding. From a parents point of view, I wouldn't let my children participate in many school programs that I thought were of the indoctrinating type, like DARE, group counseling sessions and so on.
I've just seen so many parents let their kids wander aimlessly and get in trouble for lack of guidance. While I think the majority of my kids wouldn't have needed this, a couple would have benefited from the work experience and structure. Am I just not seeing the picture with this?

Just come down to my plantation for a little involuntary forced service and you'll understand a little better.

Seriously, I think mandatory service is an anathema to freedom. Anytime you take someone's freedom away, that is not right in my book. I know some high schools require service to graduate now, and if that were the case when i was in high school, I would currently have a GED. I felt all sorts of pressure to "donate." I'm sorry, but I don't do coercion.

Where does it stop, First a little mandatory "volunteer" work (can there be such a thing). Then I tell you what your profession is going to be. And how much you are going to make doing it. Thank you very much comrade.

I just see freedom being lost every day. If they want to offer the option of a service program that is fine with me, but it has to be a free choice. The problem is if you have an opportunity to go in the private sector and make 100,000 a year but they require you to "volunteer" for 10,000, they have effectively stolen 90,000 from you. How about more, say you were an athlete or actor with the potential to make millions, or were starting your company and were going to make billions (the next Bill Gates).
I know the other side of the argument is the public good, creating community, etc. That is how they start the march to communism. Donating your time shares the burden, so what if you lose 90,000 it is for the common good. Well if they can take 2, 3, 4 years of your freedom, when why can't they take just a little of your property. Or sieze your business for the "common good"

I have never been looking harder at sailboats than right now. international waters never looked better. The very fact that people are thinking that this might not be a bad thing, tells me that i can expect a knock on the door and a boot on my throat sooner rather than later.

Do you want to live safe, or would you rather live free?

[herbalpagan]

Thank you for your explainations! I appreciate understanding better. I was thinking more along the lines of an "apprenticship" or the Peace Corp, not the lack of choice and such. :eek: