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  • Liberal Politicians: "Forget Controlling Guns; Let's Control the Ammo"

    I am not sure how reliable this site is, but I thought this was an interesting article.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-E...ntrol-the-Ammo

    Liberal Politicians: "Forget controlling guns; let's control the ammo"
    February 16, 2:23 PM
    by Jim Kouri, Law Enforcement Examiner

    Gun owners are alarmed over what they're witnessing in Washington, DC and state legislatures across the country. Realizing they could not succeed in disarming American citizens, Liberal organizations and their political representatives have decided to allow armed citizens to possess all the guns they wish. The hitch is, according to political strategist Mike Baker, the so-called gun-grabbers have decided to track ammunition for those guns by encoding the cartridges and maintaining a database.

    Ammo control laws will also stipulate that uncoded ammunition will be confiscated either voluntarily or through coercive means, according to Baker.

    There are a number of states that have proposed legislation not to control guns, but to control the ammunition those guns utilize, claims Baker.

    Basically the new state laws would provide that, after a specific date, all handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition manufactured or sold in the state shall be coded by the manufacturer, and would include a list of all calibers covered by the coding requirement. It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.

    At the federal level, H.R. 408 introduced by Rep. Robert Andrews (D-NJ) a new law would require firearms manufacturers to provide ballistics information on all new firearms to BATF, which would retain the information in a National Firearms Ballistics Database. Critics claim part of this bill will be used to mandate encoding ammunition, which is part and parcel of "ballistics" information.

    "[Lawmakers] should ignore the media hype on the firearms issue and pay attention to what the public – their constituents – are saying on the matter,” gun rights expert John M. Snyder stated.

    “According to an August poll conducted by Zogby International for Associated Television News, the American public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed by a two-to-one margin,” Snyder continued.

    “Maybe the House of Representatives should have taken a reading of public opinion on this issue before rushing headlong without a roll call vote to pass a bill before the recess,” said Snyder, who is a firearms advisor to the National Association of Chiefs of Police. < http://www.expertclick.com/NewsRelea...ews&NRWID=6042 >

    Legal experts say that the US Constitution's Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from making and enforcing such laws and that controlling ammunition and other such activities are relegated to the individual states.

    As a result, such legislation is pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

    Most, if not all, of these states are using a model law created by a left-wing organization Ammunition Accountability. < http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm > Perusal of that organization's web site provides visitors with a recommended law for use by states seeking to control guns by using a "backdoor" approach.

    For instance, the Ammunition Accountability web site features an article appearing in the Seattle Weekly about one group's mission to push an ammo control law through the Washington state legislature.

    According to the web site "news" story, the idea for coding ammunition originated when the three proponents of ammo coding "heard the story of a police shooting where two officers fired their weapons, but only one hit the suspect. In an investigation of the shooting, both officers were put on leave, since there wasn't an immediate way to determine which one of them had fired the bullet."

    < http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03...de-bullets.php >

    While state legislatures differ in the wording of their proposed laws, basically they all require that any and all ammunition be encoded by the manufacturer and they will maintain a mandatory data base of all ammunition sales.

    "We of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms oppose this backdoor approach to gun control," Snyder, an official with that gun rights group, told NewswithViews.com.

    The sample legislation stipulates that, “each year in the United States, more than 30 percent of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved; handgun ammunition accounts for 80 percent of all ammunition sold in the United States; current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement;” and “bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.”

    Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a customer purchases a box of, for example, 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide or national database.

    The code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide or national database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where.

    The rationale being used by proponents of such laws is that cartridges can be used to trace a gun owner who committed a crime such as murder or assault with a deadly weapon, according to the National Association for Gun Rights' Executive Director Dudley Brown.

    < http://www.nationalgunrights.org/index.shtml >

    But opponents of ammo registration laws counter that this will only increase the incidents of criminals collecting spent cartridges and depriving police of other evidence such as fingerprints on a cartridge left at the crime scene.

    "NAGR's strategy is simple: make the enemies of our firearms freedoms pay for every inch. While many so-called "gun rights groups" work to curry favor with politicians and the media, NAGR is working aggressively to hold politicians accountable and to put a stop to gun control," said Brown.

    "Liberal gun-grabbers are a cunning lot," said Mike Baker. "Instead of concentrating on disarming citizens of their weapons, they're attempting to render those weapons useless by controlling the ammunition. First, they'll keep records of ammunition sold and collect uncoded ammo, then they will be in a better position to restrict the sale of ammunition to law-abiding citizens. It's a cunning approach to disarming Americans," he said.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news126.htm

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    wow

    i am new to this site and i want to thank everyone for the info! i as noy aware of this leftist tactic where they take the ammo. thanks again>

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    • #3
      US Constitution, Section 9: Limits of Congress: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

      Ex Post Facto Law Definition: 1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, or makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offense, in order to convict the offender. (source: Constitutional Dictionary)

      If the government decides to pass any law, such as Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing Act, or the Ammunition Encoding would qualify as an Ex Post Facto law, and here's why:

      A cartridge for a 9mm you bought yesterday is completely legal to own today, and if tomorrow they pass a law that mandates you destroy said cartridge or face jail time is making that previously legal item then illegal to posess.

      Blair Holt's Act dictates that if you do not apply for, and carry, a firearm license, and you ALREADY own a gun, you can be imprisioned for 2-5 years and pay a huge fine. With that said, anyone who applies for this license, buys a gun, and lets the license expire without selling or transferring the gun will be imprisioned for 2-5 years, and pay a huge fine.

      These are examples of Ex Post Facto laws, they are fundamentally unconstitutional.
      "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions." "The things you own end up owning you"-Tyler Durden

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Visinedrops View Post
        US Constitution, Section 9: Limits of Congress: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

        Ex Post Facto Law Definition: 1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, or makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offense, in order to convict the offender. (source: Constitutional Dictionary)

        If the government decides to pass any law, such as Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing Act, or the Ammunition Encoding would qualify as an Ex Post Facto law, and here's why:

        A cartridge for a 9mm you bought yesterday is completely legal to own today, and if tomorrow they pass a law that mandates you destroy said cartridge or face jail time is making that previously legal item then illegal to posess.

        Blair Holt's Act dictates that if you do not apply for, and carry, a firearm license, and you ALREADY own a gun, you can be imprisioned for 2-5 years and pay a huge fine. With that said, anyone who applies for this license, buys a gun, and lets the license expire without selling or transferring the gun will be imprisioned for 2-5 years, and pay a huge fine.

        These are examples of Ex Post Facto laws, they are fundamentally unconstitutional.
        Visine, are you saying that what is stated in the above article will not happen or that it SHOULD not happen? It would be a relief to know that it couldn't happen! :)

        Thanks,
        Oz

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        • #5
          If it were to pass into law, it would be able to fight this law, stating it to be an Ex Post Facto law. However, in order to fight a law, it would require a class-action lawsuit, and be heard at the Supreme Court level.

          It is possible that this law could come to pass, but it is able to be repealed.
          "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions." "The things you own end up owning you"-Tyler Durden

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