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  • Big_Saw
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    Originally posted by Visinedrops View Post
    There are eight stages of democracy:

    From bondage to spiritual faith; - Riding in a boat to the new world.
    From spiritual faith to great courage; - declaring independance and war.
    From courage to liberty; - Becoming a nation
    From liberty to abundance; - Free trade, economic bliss.
    From abundance to complacency; - Happy to be here.
    From complacency to apathy; - Not caring about what's happening.
    From apathy to dependence; <==== You Are Here.
    From dependence back into bondage. - Total gov't control over you.

    We, as a nation of ignorant and deprived, have consumed that of other countries for so long, we now find life unbearable when we are not able to get that which we depend on.
    Fuel for our cars, coffee for our mouths, and even the direction of our lives directed to us by a higher authority. We, as a people, now depend on the gov't to ensure our lives are fulfilled. Next step of this great nation is to give up our liberties, by allowing the gov't to add ammendments to the constitution that will diminish our rights as set up by our forefathers.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
    Problem with abolishing the govt is that most "modern thinkers" believe that this is the power of the vote in action....what about when the vote either no longer carries weight, is corrupted by a majority of immoral and self-serving, entitlement-minded voters, or is overruled my a corrupt judicial branch?

    Are there enough of US left to fight the good fight?......hmmmmm......doesn't matter, really....that fight's worth dying to the last man....'cause if I can't live free, I gotta either move, fight, or die.

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  • Visinedrops
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    There are eight stages of democracy:

    From bondage to spiritual faith; - Riding in a boat to the new world.
    From spiritual faith to great courage; - declaring independance and war.
    From courage to liberty; - Becoming a nation
    From liberty to abundance; - Free trade, economic bliss.
    From abundance to complacency; - Happy to be here.
    From complacency to apathy; - Not caring about what's happening.
    From apathy to dependence; <==== You Are Here.
    From dependence back into bondage. - Total gov't control over you.

    We, as a nation of ignorant and deprived, have consumed that of other countries for so long, we now find life unbearable when we are not able to get that which we depend on.
    Fuel for our cars, coffee for our mouths, and even the direction of our lives directed to us by a higher authority. We, as a people, now depend on the gov't to ensure our lives are fulfilled. Next step of this great nation is to give up our liberties, by allowing the gov't to add ammendments to the constitution that will diminish our rights as set up by our forefathers.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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  • West Texas!
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    Originally posted by Big_Saw View Post
    Yup...that'd definitely be one more step towards an insurrection, I'm sure.....keep pushing, people.....someone's gonna crack.....but I doubt it'll pass just yet....
    I disagree....that will be THE step.
    But, it doesn't effect me cuz I don't have any firearms...nope, never, ever filled out a 4473...

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  • open2think
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    laws laws no rights

    All we will see is the laws grabbing a death grip on all who own guns as they just continue to test the water on what the U.S people will allow. I believe down the road all rights will be gone, but the so WILL the WILL of the people as they allow and accept safety from big Brother over the safety of true fellow brothers!!! All we can do is out smart the dumb downed people who are around us and keep both eyes on our target aka the law makers!!!:cool:

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  • Big_Saw
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    I'm sorry, but if the fed govt forces a firearm registry, I will become a criminal...because I will refuse to register. They already know enough about me from my service records, my license, my SS, my voter reg.....the list goes on and on....they will NOT force me to provide them with the details of my own defenses against their tyranny.

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  • Visinedrops
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    I'm sorry, sir, you're under arrest for the unsafe keeping of a firearm. It was stolen from you during the time you were being stabbed in the back while walking from your car to your house, and was used in a crime which involved a teen.

    Add insult to injury?

    I usually don't get angry in my posts, but the fact that so many of these "Law Abiding" sh*tizens of this country will follow orders, allowing themselves and everyone else for that matter, to fall further and further into oppression. This p*sses me off.

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  • Big_Saw
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    Originally posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
    Lately? --
    Well, at leat they're more open abut it anywayz......."out of the closet"...so-to-speak....;)

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  • Rustyshakelford
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    Originally posted by Big_Saw View Post
    Seems to me they're all the same lately....D...R....whatever....they're all liberal retards.
    Lately? --

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  • Big_Saw
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    Originally posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
    Note, another IL Democrat.
    Seems to me they're all the same lately....D...R....whatever....they're all liberal retards.

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  • Rustyshakelford
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    Originally posted by Big_Saw View Post
    Yup...that'd definitely be one more step towards an insurrection, I'm sure.....keep pushing, people.....someone's gonna crack.....but I doubt it'll pass just yet....
    Note, another IL Democrat.

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  • Big_Saw
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    Yup...that'd definitely be one more step towards an insurrection, I'm sure.....keep pushing, people.....someone's gonna crack.....but I doubt it'll pass just yet....

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  • Rustyshakelford
    started a topic New to Ponder 1-14-2008

    New to Ponder 1-14-2008

    CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    And here is the bag-o-Crap.





    Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms
    'This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners'


    January 13, 2009
    10:08 pm Eastern


    By Drew Zahn
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily



    Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill.

    U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America.

    Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America.

    The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth."

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    Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty."

    "This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on

    Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot.

    According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting."

    The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways.

    If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.

    To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25.

    Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other."

    The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.

    And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.

    H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken.

    H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee.
    Last edited by Rustyshakelford; 01-14-2009, 12:44 PM.
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