My take on survival

[nakadnu]

Seems like everytime I post something about a gun or weapon someone has to tell me that it is not good enough for a combat situation. I am not always concentrating on battling hordes of zombies or roving gangs of cannibals. Sometimes I see the need to survive after the initial conflict period. For example a spear would be handy for collecting protien in a silent manner as opposed to killing a rabbit with my AR-15 and telling everyone within a 5 mile radius where I am. Or having a 410 shotgun stashed in a hideaway for hunting purposes. Most people underestimate the power of the smaller caliber firearms. I agree a highpowered semiauto rifle would be a good choice in some situations, but not in all. Just my thoughts and opinion. So bring on your arguements and agreements and let's get some participation rolling here folks!

[Bayou Blaster]

There's an old saying: Don't ask the question or ask for an opinion if your not ready for or don't like the answer. This website is geared primarily towards prepardness and survivalism; this encompasses a wide range of subjects that sometimes overlamp or cross into other subject areas. Concerning your post on the H&R Tamer .410 shotgun, you stated "This could make a good little hunting survival gun". Well that statement encompasses two separate subjects (Hunting and Survival). Survival is a broad subject in and of itself alone. When you combined hunting and survival, my response to your inquiry changed accordingly. My response encompassed the what if (Murphy's Law) of survivalism. My responses are meant to be honest and sincere and not condesending. I took both of your requirements into account when responding. I believe I indicated that I did not like the firearm because it did not offer a quick follow-up shot. Rsanders indicated the same as well. Follow-up shots are not just limited to combat. I also discussed it's limited range. This is not limited to combat either. While I prefer the one-shot one-kill adage as it applies to hunting, it's not always so. And yes for your information I do own and enjoy smaller caliber firearms and I have hunted rabbits quite often with nothing more than a 22LR handgun. Rsanders also indicated his concerns about ammuniton cost as it relates to the .410. But if you don't care about cost, that's your business and I RESPECT your opinion. When I managed a gun store a couple of years ago, I never told a customer this is what you shouild buy. I would give them several choices and let the customer decide. But if the customer asked me for my opinion, I would give them an honest opiinion based on my experiences even if they did not like the answer. At least they knew I was not about selling them whatever firearm was on the counter. BTW you will also notice that I don't refer to firearms or knives as weapons. These items becomes weapons when individuals elect to use them in performance of a crime in my opinion. I hope you did not take this response personally either. It's so easy to take written communication personally, depending on one's emotions at the time they read something, they can percieve the written communication with hostility or being of an insulting nature. Hope we are okay. As always enjoy your shooting and hunting experiences.

[monet861]

My .02 cents is that if you ask an opinion about any firearm, that is what you get. As a Marine I have a certain love of the AR system and do not own a single AK. I also prefer Springfield XD pistols over Glocks. Since I prefer one over the other I will give all the reasons in the world why I like or dislike one, but if asked the AK, Black rifle, M1, etc. people are going to chim in.

And my favorite thing to shoot is .45/70, but I understand that it is not the best squirrel hunting round even though then you don't have to skin or debone anything.

[nakadnu]

I never took offense to anyones comments and I apologize if I insinuated that in this forum. My goal was to spark up a debate which it seems I have succeeded in doing. I welcome all comments and suggestions. So keep the comments coming and damn the sensitivities, LOL!

[slowz1k]

Good stuff here!!!

My take on the topic.

A firearm is a tool. I wouldn't use a shovel to rake my leaves... I wouldn't use a .22 to hunt grizzlies.
Every tool has a purpose where it will outperform some if not most of the other tools in the shed. In my mind, (with survival as the topic) the trick is to find the tool that performs the widest range of tasks, and or have a wide range of tools that are specific to each task. I never met a trigger I didn't like, and would never criticize anyones choice of firearm..... (and here's the key)..... as long as they can shoot it well. If you don't have the skills to send rounds where you need them, you are just as well off with a dull butter knife and harsh language.


EDIT:::: Oh... I forgot to mention how awesome the 12ga is at being that perfect tool that does it all!!! Sorry... Had to do it.

[nakadnu]

I think my perfect firearms would be a 12 gauge pump and a 22 LR revolver.

Good stuff here!!!

My take on the topic.

A firearm is a tool. I wouldn't use a shovel to rake my leaves... I wouldn't use a .22 to hunt grizzlies.
Every tool has a purpose where it will outperform some if not most of the other tools in the shed. In my mind, (with survival as the topic) the trick is to find the tool that performs the widest range of tasks, and or have a wide range of tools that are specific to each task. I never met a trigger I didn't like, and would never criticize anyones choice of firearm..... (and here's the key)..... as long as they can shoot it well. If you don't have the skills to send rounds where you need them, you are just as well off with a dull butter knife and harsh language.


EDIT:::: Oh... I forgot to mention how awesome the 12ga is at being that perfect tool that does it all!!! Sorry... Had to do it.

[Lil Bear]

My father has a savage .22 over 20 gauge that I used as a kid. If I had to chose only one this might be the one. I personally like my 30-30 and marlin 357 lever guns.

[prkchp76]

all these yahoos on here have so many different opinions you would have two have a semi convoy just as i said in your other post i would go with the over under but then when i say a remington is a pos i am told how terriable a mossberg is but all agencies here in cola are using the mossies but hey it was an opinon any way thx for something new keep it up and i'll try to do a scenairio this week end for yall

[slowz1k]

but then when i say a remington is a pos i am told how terriable a mossberg is but all agencies here in cola are using the mossies but hey it was an opinon any way thx for something new keep it up

Hey!!!
Let's all pitch in and buy prkchp a new grudge for Christmas. The one he's holding looks old and heavy.:D:D:D LOL

You know I'm joking with you prkchp.... Don't you sneak up here and hide one of your pet water moccasin's or a gator in my bed. :D

[beowulf50]

Almost anything can be used as a weapon. A lawyer will label anything you have as a weapon if it suits his agenda. Guns/knives/sticks/stones are just the most obvious ones. They are also the building blocks of society, used as tools.

Also we have a saying here in Nashville "Opinions are like cowboy hats, everbody has one".Thats the g rated version.

As to my take on the perfect survival/self defense weapon it is your mind and skills.You must choose the best tool for the situation or adapt what you can find. Just don't try to clean your fingnails with a gun a knife works better.

A large well made knife is more versatile than a small one a machete or ax is even more useful.
If you have a large caliber gun it is also more versatile than a small one. Use traps for small animals they require less expendature of resources and cover more area than you can at the same time. There are more small animals than large and you will not have to the problem of preserving the addtional meat.

i could bore you for hours, just a few thoughts from my experiences.


Cheers,

ts
BTW I also prefer XD over Glock-M14 over AR -.41mag over any other cal. But I have taylored my firearms selection to include several other options.

[nakadnu]

[QUOTE=beowulf50;34928]

Use traps for small animals they require less expendature of resources and cover more area than you can at the same time. There are more small animals than large and you will not have to the problem of preserving the addtional meat.

I used to do a little trapping and snaring when I was younger. More than once I walked up on a rabbit or pheasent while looking for a good spot. If I would have a good 22 revolver I would not have to wait for my traps to do their thing. Luck favors the prepared.

[kentuckyshiner85]

If you were a good enough shot you could have used a bow to kill them as well. A person can use anything to their advantage with a little enginuity. even a stick or a sapling can be used as a weapon.

[Oscar Wilde]

all these yahoos on here have so many different opinions

Yahoos? What Yahoos? .... I'm a lot of things :cool:.... but I'm not a Yahoo.

O.W.