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  • Law enforcement and military loyalty.

    First of all I have nothing but respect, grattitude and admiration for our law enforcement and military personell.
    Thank You for doing your job so that I and my family can live in peace and enjoy the fruits of your labors.

    Now on to my point.
    At some time most likely the Government is going to declare Martial law, enact total gun confiscation, round up dissidents etc. the list goes on. It is going be your job to enforce the will of the Federal State and local Government. If you refuse you will be fired, imprisoned or worse. You will have to choose.
    What will you do? Just something to think about. I would like to think that I would die fighting to protect our rights. But when it comes down to it and my families life lies in the balance I truly don't know what I will do.
    SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE

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    This topic sounds rings a bell ,I think it has already been covered, if not there was one very close to it.
    Every Day , Is A Bonus.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rsanders View Post
      This topic sounds rings a bell ,I think it has already been covered, if not there was one very close to it.
      I did a search prior to posting and found nothing. It may be in the law enforcement and military category which I do not have access to. If you know where it is let me know.
      Thanks
      SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE

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      • #4
        I have posed this question to several friends of mine in the military and I was told that they took an oath to defend the constitution from all enemys foreign or domestic. I am under the opinion that is what they would do. Seems to me that the government would be an enemy of the constitution if this took place. i think a lot of the military and police would then dessert to protect their families and friends.
        Mike

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        • #5
          There has been a topic similar to this before and I had stated that one of the problems that will be faced is that if the media, government, officers, etc portray this group or that as the enemy, and as evil (the bad guys) whatever, then will the military/lawenforcement personnel know any better.

          When I was in Iraq (Desert Storm) I was fighting who I was told to fight. We like to think that we should know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, but history tells us that there is not always a right side and things can get confusing. Look at Ruby Ridge. If the govenment/media spins things the way they want many people will believe what they are told. Next thing you know the Tea Party is full of violent racists and the National Guard is firing on a crowd of senior citizens.
          He who lives with the most toys, wins.

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          • #6
            I am an Oath Keeper. As a former member of the military and as a current law enforcement officer I have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. That includes protecting the country from all enemies both foriegn and DOMESTIC. That also includes the second amendment. Nuf said.
            bbc
            The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by beebopcop View Post
              I am an Oath Keeper. As a former member of the military and as a current law enforcement officer I have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. That includes protecting the country from all enemies both foriegn and DOMESTIC. That also includes the second amendment. Nuf said.
              bbc
              It is good to know there are still some independant thinkers out there in your position. Those that have not fallen prey to the sneaky and manipulative ways some would like. Hats off to you sir !

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              • #8
                I'll echo beebopcop.. domestic also could apply to a government in charge that attacks the constitution DAILY.
                Such as a government that is dedicated to changing society as they see fit based on special interest groups - when the majority doesn't approve...making taxpayers pay for abortions in this country... making taxpayers pay for abortions in other countries. making taxpayers pay for anyone else that doesn't contribute to society... amnesty for ILLEGALS that take our money out of our economy and send it south... open gay serving in military when they are told it will harm the cohesion of the force by the seniors of the military... I'll stop now, but i will add the final rant. As the older Roosevelt Democrats pass away, the democratic party must replace them from somewhere. Citizenship for ILLEGALS and FELONS is the answer. democrats are known for handouts and being weak on punishment of criminals. Not rocket Science at all.

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                • #9
                  This is a question that has bothered me for years and I have persued non-fiction books and movies that delt with this subject in different countrys. There are many works such as Flame and Citrone (the Danish Resistance in WW2) plus writings from the Spanish Cival War and the Russian Partizans that delve into the action and the politics of resisting a Coup. In Flame and Citrone the movie starts out with a quote from the resistance fighter to the effect that "On Wednesday we were living a normal life; on Thursday our neighbors donned uniforms, joined the Nazies and became Jew hating oppresors shooting fellow Danes." Needless to say a second american civil war will be far more convoluted with huge propaganda machines working for the Obamma machine. Obamma's allies will not be americans as much as they will be the Marxists. Eventualy there will be forgine military forces on US soil from russia, china, cuba, venezuala, mexico, as in Bill Ayers dream. A resistance movement must be in place before the coup takes place and the ovens are lit.
                  Last edited by kenno; 06-26-2010, 02:47 AM.
                  The road to serfdom is paved with free electric golf carts.

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                  • #10
                    Wow Kenno, well said and depressing. All of this talk is great, but I personally have no idea how it would start, I mean any kind of resistance. As I type this I see some government spook copying and stroring our info, making a list and checking it twice.
                    bbc
                    The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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                    • #11
                      Funny, I just got this link today and it fits with this discussion
                      Mike
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf2K4-BQYAI

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                      • #12
                        I have no idea as to the 'day' obviously it would be in the .Guv interest to be very slow in the institution of laws that make citizens outlaws. I did learn that having bases close to a neutral border was very important for any resistance movement. Citys such as Vancouver, Toranto and the like would be valuable transit points. Of course the Nazies knew that as well and were very active in like european cities.
                        Obamma's buddy; Bill Ayers: once said that "they" HE would plan to murder 25 million Americans in death camps in the american south west to ensure a Marxist take-over. That is; Ayers planed to murder 25 million Americans off the bat; that was his starting point. He's still out there, running free, dreaming genocidial deams. None of this would count fer nothing except now we got a hard boiled Marxist in the White house that bows to vermin and attracts rats
                        The road to serfdom is paved with free electric golf carts.

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                        • #13
                          In Beebop's sentiments, I'm active LE and there's no way I'd obey an illegal order against our citizens. I'm also an oath keeper and its a good thing guys and girls like us are prepping every day for what seems to be the inevitable. Foreign troops on US soil in almost all cases should be viewed as hostile and treated as such. There are exceptions to that though.
                          Wolverines!!!:D

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                          • #14
                            I have been following alot of things that the Government have been up to on another group I belong to and it is in deed scarey,I know with the little knowledge and resources I have that I will probably not survive but I think i owe it to myself and those around me to at least do my best at preparing.I am sure glad that I am not afraid to die,just hope it's quick if it ever happens lol

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                            • #15
                              I just wanted to say to those with all the training and experience NEVER GIVE UP!

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