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  • #16
    Very interesting subject. I think that the danger of a woman making this proposition is that she would often end up being raped and not receiving what she bartered for. The danger for a man making this arangement with a woman is his obvious disadvantage in the exchange. By that I mean his guard is down and it is not likely he is going to keep his knife or gun in his hand during the exchange and could end up with a knife in his back by the woman or her male accomplice.
    The whole thing seems to risky for both parties. Surely there will be men and women looking for mates for companionship. I believe this would be the way to go. There are too many different things to barter without this risky business. IMHO
    bbc
    The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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    • #17
      Excellent points....
      "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

      "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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      • #18
        Originally posted by beebopcop View Post
        Very interesting subject. I think that the danger of a woman making this proposition is that she would often end up being raped and not receiving what she bartered for. The danger for a man making this arangement with a woman is his obvious disadvantage in the exchange. By that I mean his guard is down and it is not likely he is going to keep his knife or gun in his hand during the exchange and could end up with a knife in his back by the woman or her male accomplice.
        The whole thing seems to risky for both parties. Surely there will be men and women looking for mates for companionship. I believe this would be the way to go. There are too many different things to barter without this risky business. IMHO
        bbc
        I thought about the same issues and a few more, you have to keep in mind all the STDs that will be out there, unprotected sex will be more wide spread then because protection will soon cease to exist. And antibiotics ....... gone too ya can't just run down to the Dr.'s office for a load of penicillin. And there's still allot of stuff out there now that Ajax wont take off , so what's it going to be like six months after the SHTF? Guys I am happily married and intend to do whatever it takes to stay that way.Al tho I did more than my share of chasing skirts in my younger days some how by the grace of the big guy I never once contacted any STDs so no sense in messing up a perfect record. I guess I'll just keep on bartering with the best thing to happen to me.
        Every Day , Is A Bonus.

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        • #19
          I voted for the very last option. During a survival situation, sex is probably going to be in your head, but far from your mind.
          "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions." "The things you own end up owning you"-Tyler Durden

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          • #20
            If I was ever offered that service for barter, and I was in a position that I could take the offer (ie, I had the goods to spare), I would just provide them and hope to save her having to do it, even just that one time. It is the only proper Christian response to that offer.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by avking View Post
              If I was ever offered that service for barter, and I was in a position that I could take the offer (ie, I had the goods to spare), I would just provide them and hope to save her having to do it, even just that one time. It is the only proper Christian response to that offer.
              Another excellent point...
              "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

              "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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              • #22
                Originally posted by avking View Post
                If I was ever offered that service for barter, and I was in a position that I could take the offer (ie, I had the goods to spare), I would just provide them and hope to save her having to do it, even just that one time. It is the only proper Christian response to that offer.
                Agreed, obviously I was joking in my previous post. Engaging in such a deal is unethical, and it is also a guarantee that you would have to let your guard down during the exchange, (so to speak), leaving yourself pretty vulnerable for the moment.

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                • #23
                  I suppose it is my ego, but I won't pay for sex. Hell, I won't even do it unless I am convinced the girl really wants me. I suppose keeping my self image satified is more important in my mind than satisfying my urges.

                  On the other hand, if a girl wants me enough to pay me... well that might be a major turn on. (wakes up from dream)

                  As a libertarian, engage at your own risk, but its scary enough sometimes in the world trying to engage in mutually consensual sex without the exchange of consideration. (if such a thing exists)

                  I think sex is a bad barter item.
                  My weapon can kill, it isn't limited to mere assault

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                  • #24
                    I was one of those who cast the vote of, "Not interested, but hey, it's your body".

                    Unfortunately, prostitution has been almost since time began. At least since we humans have been around. I personally think it's rather disgusting myself. Not because of religious reasons, but rather, moral reasons to one's self. As our past shows us, I do believe bartering for sexual favors will be around as long as we humans are around. If someone needed something bad enough that they would put their self in that position (bad terminology), I'd be more apt to just give away whatever was needed so they'd go away!

                    Like the late Paul Harvey would say; Now, the rest of the story! I'm so far off the beaten path that I doubt anyone would just stumble upon me during a scenario of TSHTF. If and I really mean if, TSHTF, I will take out the only two roads around me and make them look as natural as I possibly can. A backhoe and just replant as much of the natural shrubs in the roads as possible. There are 3 of us on these two roads I'm referring to and all of us agree that one, if not all, would help in doing this to keep a bad situation from getting worse.
                    Being unprepared is giving up!

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                    • #25
                      I am thinking that politicians / government employees in shackles might make for excellent barter material. When the Chinese come to collect on the debt they're owed they should be able to pilot a barge into the Chesapeake bay, up the Potomac and tie up near the Lincoln Memorial .... won't absolve the debt but its a great start.

                      O.W.
                      Things are seldom what they seem.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
                        I am thinking that politicians / government employees in shackles might make for excellent barter material. When the Chinese come to collect on the debt they're owed they should be able to pilot a barge into the Chesapeake bay, up the Potomac and tie up near the Lincoln Memorial .... won't absolve the debt but its a great start.

                        O.W.
                        I hate to disagree with you Oscar but,...... in order to barter you have to have something of "worth" that someone else wants or needs.We all know that All, politicians are Worthless ,as are most other government employees so there's no need for either.IMHO both would be of no value in the barter world.

                        EDIT: In no way am I referring to anyone in the Military.
                        Last edited by rsanders; 11-22-2009, 11:26 PM.
                        Every Day , Is A Bonus.

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                        • #27
                          [I hate to disagree with you Oscar but,...... in order to barter you have to have something of "worth" that someone else wants or needs.We all know that All, politicians are Worthless ,as are most other goverment employees so there's no need for either.IMHO both would be of no value in the barter world.]

                          Excellent point RS .... I must develop bartering skills .... surely someone might want these to .... liven up the party or perhaps as a conversation piece .... no?

                          O.W.
                          Things are seldom what they seem.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
                            I am thinking that politicians / government employees in shackles might make for excellent barter material. When the Chinese come to collect on the debt they're owed they should be able to pilot a barge into the Chesapeake bay, up the Potomac and tie up near the Lincoln Memorial .... won't absolve the debt but its a great start.

                            O.W.
                            Swine is always good for barter(no offense to pigs). Now that I live in Illinois I see this firsthand more than ever. Sorry to get off topic.
                            Last edited by monet861; 11-23-2009, 06:39 AM.
                            He who lives with the most toys, wins.

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                            • #29
                              This is an interesting topic; not one that I would have expected. But I am glad that there are people thinking outside the box and have the courage to bring these things up.

                              I am going to agree with those that have posted that the arrangement would be tricky without putting someone at risk. The potential for infection was also an excellent point. I would stay clear of such arrangements.

                              /John

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                              • #30
                                I do apologise if I offended anyone with my previous post regarding this subject. I do very much agree with AVking. If you have been lucky enough and smart enough to prepare and you can, "giving until it hurts" is the Christian thing to do. That is why I have far more food than we'll need so that I can be as charitable as we can, while ensuring our own long term saftey and comfort(food wise).

                                This topic does bring up a whole other question. The question of morality in general post collapse. I was chided for last post as someone who never had to go without food for 5 days so I wouldn't understand the desperation of a woman willing to barter sex. Does the level of desperation directly equate to making it "ok" to do something that you wouldn't approve of, more or less DO under non desperate times?

                                Let's look at other possible actions that law abbiding citizens will take to...

                                1. Stealing from abandonded houses /buidings even though it is not yours.
                                2. Taking what you need from those not as strong as you.
                                2. Killing if you have to to take what you need to live.

                                Are these acceptable because of the desperation? Of course not. So someone please tell me, as the people who are going to be prepared for the worst, where do we draw the line on what was previously unacceptable behavior?

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