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  • leadslinger
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    oscars right be careful, there will be no mercey for the weak, great info from you all, get hot on the preps. there is no time to waste.!!!!
    Last edited by leadslinger; 08-14-2009, 02:49 PM.

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  • C141-B LOAD
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    Time to dig in our heels and tie up and loose ends that could be lacking in our preps.

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  • Brosia
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    My husband has been a member of the volunteer fire department for almost 20 years. He runs Rescue occasionally. We've discussed it, and I've stated my case in no uncertain terms that he should not take any vaccine. he also recently joined Fire Police, which has a provision that they get 'deputized' or whatever the correct term is in case of martial law. No murmurs yet.

    I will not take a flu vaccine, and I guess we'll be homeschooling this year, because there is no way in hell I will let my children take this. It's bad enough all the crap I let them inject in my children since birth (thinking it was good for them), but I've come to believe more and more it's dangerous to their health.

    I'm upping my preps (have been for a while), really stockpiling the food and OTC meds, plus freezing plenty of prepared meals for the kids in case I should succumb to the flu (I'm one of those with underlying medical problems- asthmatic)

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  • cwconnertx
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    Originally posted by beebopcop View Post
    Have you researched this vaccine?? It has many more "fillers" than passed flu vaccines because the gov is pushing the pharm industry to developed it quickly and make a lot of it. The fillers are designed to boost the immune effect of the vaccine, but because there are more than usual it will push the immune system into hyper-overdrive. The immune system will attack good everything in your body that it views as a threat, even if it is something your body needs. There have already been deaths in Australia from the vaccine. I urge you to do your research
    bbc
    Well I certainly don't want to die!

    I haven't been offered it yet, but I don't like being told what to do, that is for sure.

    I will look into it.

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  • Oscar Wilde
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    [For me it is a dilemma becuase by taking the vaccine I would be following an order I agree with but feel is wrong.]

    Who do you allow to reign over you and issue you orders whether you agree or not?

    [Civil wars and unrest can easily kill more than the flu.]

    As I understand things, It is my belief that TPTB are anticipating the combination of the aforementioned events to do just that .....
    O.W.

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  • herbalpagan
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    I will not be taking the vaccine voluntarily.
    There is formaldehyde, murcury and a host of other things in it. While it may not be enough to kill you, little by little it builds up in your body and will break down your immune system. Here is a listing of ingredients in some common vaccines. I'm not a doctor, but I do know that avoidance and a healthy immune system are just as important to resisting the flu. As for vaccines for other diseases, some are absolutely needed, as the disease was so devestating and prevalent that it was obviously something we'd want to take, and in some cases it virtually eradicated the disease (small pox, polio etc). Those are MUCH different than an every changing variety of flu. It's been proven also that #1-the best immunity to flu is to have had it in the past and #2-the vaccine itself is not affective enough (less than 50%) to take the chance. JMO

    http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm

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  • beebopcop
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    Originally posted by cwconnertx View Post
    Am I the only one here that takes the Flu vaccine and wants to take any offered for strains that might strike?

    I don't believe that vaccines should be forced on people and will take my vaccine and still stand beside those that fight against being forced to take a vaccine. For me it is a dilemma becuase by taking the vaccine I would be following an order I agree with but feel is wrong.

    It worries me that the government would force this on anyone

    It also makes me wonder how many would refuse and why, and also why the use of force might ever be considered. Civil wars and unrest can easily kill more than the flu.
    Have you researched this vaccine?? It has many more "fillers" than passed flu vaccines because the gov is pushing the pharm industry to developed it quickly and make a lot of it. The fillers are designed to boost the immune effect of the vaccine, but because there are more than usual it will push the immune system into hyper-overdrive. The immune system will attack good everything in your body that it views as a threat, even if it is something your body needs. There have already been deaths in Australia from the vaccine. I urge you to do your research
    bbc

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  • kenno
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    People will die for what they believe in, rather than die from what they despise, especially if they think eugenics is once again upon us.
    Hitler poisoned the well for all 'well intentioned' Socialists.
    Last edited by kenno; 08-09-2009, 02:26 AM.

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  • cwconnertx
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    Am I the only one here that takes the Flu vaccine and wants to take any offered for strains that might strike?

    I don't believe that vaccines should be forced on people and will take my vaccine and still stand beside those that fight against being forced to take a vaccine. For me it is a dilemma becuase by taking the vaccine I would be following an order I agree with but feel is wrong.

    It worries me that the government would force this on anyone

    It also makes me wonder how many would refuse and why, and also why the use of force might ever be considered. Civil wars and unrest can easily kill more than the flu.

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  • kenno
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    I live in a low population denisty area however in my local bi-monthly paper there is a report of an outbreak at a very small Christian summer camp near Antelope, OR the summer camp was canceled as a result. The illness is assumed to be H1N1 or what ever they call it. The fact that this was 'caught' in mid summer or that the health authorities of a very lightly populated county(1 person per square mile) proceeded on the assumption it is swineflu shows how seriously they are taking this event. Because I live and work in an agicultural occupation I get exposed to every bug that comes-up from Mexico, I hope that provides some immunity.
    it is my understanding that Flu viruses are all around us but as the weather turns colder we close our windows, sneeze more and it is easier to get a dose of the flu, especialy during winter holiday shopping and travel. This causes the virus to spread and mutate more abundantly.
    Shop by mail, take lots of vitamins, etc, carry a hanky to sneeze into.
    Last edited by kenno; 08-09-2009, 12:31 AM.

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  • OneBadPig
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    When does "flu season" typically begin? Whenever that date is.....is probably when we need to have all major preps completed by.

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  • HileTroy
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    Thanks for sharing this article Oz. 'I think'. The way things are spiriling, I tend to believe this sooner if not later. All i can think about are my kids. Have to protect them and make the correct decisions when the situation arises. I think all fathers and husbands fear the words 'what are we going to do'. Like other like minded folks here, we will have answers to those questions. Hold on tight and good fortune be with us.

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  • Lostinoz
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    Thanks for the heads up BBC. If you hear anything else, please let us know. Stay safe!

    An interesting article/opinion..

    http://farmwars.info/?p=1314

    Refusing vaccination labels you a “criminal”, so says WHO

    The World Health Organization determined in 2005 it has the authority to dissolve sovereign governments and take control should there be a “pandemic”. This applies to any country signed onto WHO….which of course we are. The WHO just raised this non-existent pandemic to level 4.

    From the WHO 2005 declaration: (excerpted) “ Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world including the USA, in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic emergency and replaced by special crisis committees, which take charge of the health and security infrastructure of a country, and which are answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

    If the Model Emergency Health Powers Act is implemented on the instructions of WHI, it will be a criminal offense for Americans to refuse the vaccine. Police are allowed to use deadly force against “criminal” suspects. Here are ten key points associated with MSEHPA:

    Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a “public health emergency,” governors and public health officials would be empowered to:

    Force individuals suspected of harboring an “infectious disease” to undergo medical examinations.

    Track and share an individual’s personal health information, including genetic information.

    Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases.

    Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a “substantial risk” to a “significant number of people or cause a long-term disability.” (Note: Neither “substantial risk” nor “significant number” are defined in the draft.)

    Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases.

    Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and–this is key–property rights.

    Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices.

    Mobilize all or any part of the “organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state’s orders.” Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities.

    Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.

    So there you have it. You are now officially to be declared a criminal if you refuse the vaccine and deadly force can be used against you if you resist. And to think, not only did our federal government agree to this abomination, it was also successful in getting the same laws passed in most states. I will be revisiting this list of powers in a subsequent article as it relates to the coming “healthcare reform”, and other odious pieces of legislation being devised.

    This gives me pause to consider this: Could the so-called healthcare reform that the government claims must be done right away, right now, quickly, immediately….no time to waste be tied somehow to this WHO declaration? Hmmmm. I smell a really big rat!

    Those pesky FEMA drills…part of a plan?

    I am wary of this FEMA drill that is taking place not only for the obvious reasons….but its close proximity to the planned forced vaccinations scheduled to be mandated early this fall. Our own government has expressed its intent to forcibly vaccinate school children as a starter. By all means…..target the most vulnerable first. (Take that any way you like.)

    On MSM last evening it was reported that young people between the ages of 19 and 24 are for some reason most susceptible to this lab created virus. I find this curious as this segment of the population is generally the healthiest. Since the “swine” flu has been so thoroughly exposed as lab created they are now just simply calling it the N1 whatever flu. Apparently this first test run of what was supposed to be a global pandemic couldn’t get off the ground: it didn’t spread as was hoped. Of course the same thing happened with SARS and the Bird Flu…..Those didn’t work so now we get the “Swine Flu”, or the N1 Whatever Flu”. Strange how all these flu’s showed up after they dug up bodies from mass graves to see if they really did die from the flu epidemic in 1918. The new and improved version of this virus is now what we are calling N1 Whatever Flu.

    Here’s what I believe is about to happen:

    A created strain of flu is going to be set loose in selected areas to begin with. As I believe thousands are going to fall ill simultaneously it will be the fear factor needed to bring thousands more in for what they believe is a vaccine that will save them. Those that want to self-quarantine, or who simply refuse the vaccines, will either be incarcerated in FEMA camps or otherwise disposed. The vaccines which have not been tested for safety or effectiveness can and will cause harm to many of those receiving the shots, but will be off limits to lawsuits for harm caused. This will force thousands more in for the vaccinations, out of fear, which are loaded with toxins and pathogens seeking to save themselves from forced incarceration or worse. At some point in this, we will find out that the foreign troops who supposedly only participated in a mock drill, are not only still here on our soil, but their numbers have multiplied.

    Martial law will be declared using the unilateral authority granted the president under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, which allows the president to declare an emergency “even if he is the only person to perceive one”. Foreign troops lack the natural inhibition our own military has about firing on US citizens…that’s why they are here. I do not believe this is a mock drill. I think it is actually the planned strategic placement of foreign troops within the US for an anticipated and planned event.

    The vented three story rail cars which are claimed to be nothing more than haulers for large SUV type vehicles would come in really handy here. Foreign troops and military equipment could be moved further into the country and put in place without anyone ever knowing they were there until they were needed. Besides, I don’t know of any car haulers that need that much targeted ventilation: humans on the other just might.

    I feel that there will be several catastrophic events from about mid-August to the end of October and maybe into November somewhat. At the end of this period, after the American public has been frightened to death, everything will begin coalescing and will culminate at the end of the year.

    In the interim: will we see the deaths of thousands upon thousands of American’s and other peoples around the world, if not millions?

    I was curious as to why the WHO would move this flu into a pandemic (phase 4) category when there was no evidence that it was pandemic.

    (Two weeks ago, WHO advised nations to stop testing for H1N1 and instead to report trends of flu like symptoms.) H1N1 has been very mild, according to the WHO:

    “This pandemic has been characterized, to date, by the mildness of symptoms in the overwhelming majority of patients, who usually recover, even without medical treatment, within a week of the onset of symptoms.”

    Then came the predictions from our government that the “flu” would probably become much worse this fall. This indicates to me that a new and more virulent strain has been developed and is set to be turned loose. I base this on the evidence that the flu was lab created and would not have occurred naturally combining four unrelated dna strains……the statements by the CDC that they had a vaccine within three weeks of the “outbreak”…..knowing that seed stock for vaccines takes at least 12 weeks to develop and several more weeks to mass produce……and the orders during the last year of the Bush Crime Administration for Tamiflu which supposedly is the cure or prevention for a flu which didn’t exist at the time, at least not publicly.

    Whatever has been in the works for several years, if not for decades is about to come to fruition. Grab your butts! This is going to be one bumpy ride!

    (C) 2009 Marti Oakley July 30, 2009

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  • lady_banjo
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    Nothing said in our neck of the woods about that yet, but as a firefighter/EMT, if it should become mandatory for our paid-on-call staff, I will be resigning. This is all getting very frightening!

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  • mountainman28713
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    the mark...

    Originally posted by beebopcop View Post
    I read it and you are right. The powers that be in my little town do not have a clue. My Chief's wife is a nurse so I don't know if I am going to be able to convince him or not. Sounds like we have a lot to do between now and October. Not to mention a lot of decisions to make. Take care and may God have mercy on us all.
    bbc
    kinda sounds like the mark of the gubbermental beast on the people.:confused:

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