How did you awaken your friend or loved one??

[doucmpuppiespn]

Hi All,

I ran into a dear friend of mine today and she was telling me how she really thought Obama was going to help us poorer people with this Health Care crap. She isn't even an Obama supporter. She said she talked with a friend the other day from overseas that has the government health plan and she explained it all to her and told her how good it was. How in the world, or do you just pray for them, do you help them understand without making them think you are a nut?? I have sent her many an article and videos trying to wake her up as to what is going on, but I guess it's heresay to her. I know most here have family and friends that react the same way.

Maybe we could help each other out by giving our approaches, and how you may have awakened someone or at least gotten them to listen without rolling their eyes.

[Oscar Wilde]

[I ran into a dear friend of mine today and she was telling me how she really thought Obama was going to help us poorer people with this Health Care crap. She said she talked with a friend the other day from overseas that has the government health plan and she explained it all to her and told her how good it was. How in the world, or do you just pray for them, do you help them understand without making them think you are a nut?? I have sent her many an article and videos trying to wake her up as to what is going on, but I guess it's heresay to her. I know most here have family and friends that react the same way.]

I wish I could recall the source to give credit as these are not my words.... perhaps the Bible ..... "Don't cast your pearls before the swine". Share your thoughts and concerns and move on. Don't frustrate yourself ....
O.W.

[Lostinoz]

Sorry, DC, can't help you with this one as everyone thinks I am nuts..harmless, but nuts. ;)

I just state my case, views, opinions and listen to theirs as well. I may not agree with them or them me, but I respect their right to lead their life the way they see fit and insist they give me the same respect in return.

Don't let it get you down or worry you too much. The other adults in our lives have the same resources to gather information from as we do. They CHOOSE not to prepare, that is their way, nothing we can do about it.

[Skyowl's Wife]

If you know them well, phrase your arguements in terms of their pet projects.

I converted a co-worker when he mentioned some hypocrisy he'd noticed in something a democrat had said (Yah, THAT would be hard to find!). Gave him a website with the facts about whatever it was. A couple weeks later, he asked about something else. And then a couple of days later... It turned into a flood.

He was flat floored when he came to understand that the Civil War was NOT about slavery.

He was amazed when he came to understand that our country was NOT designed as a democracy.

He was amazed when he came to understand that FDR was a dictator (along with Lincoln).

He now understands that raising minimum wage (or even having one) is not a good thing.

He understands that socialism is a bad thing.

He asks to look something up in the constitution (I keep a copy in my purse) about once a month.

I didn't TELL him, I just told him where to read about it. Then he TOLD me! I'm so proud of him!

[herbalpagan]

There's an old saying: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". I would have told the old friend that in your opinion, the new health care plan will raise taxes, result in rationed health care and be more intrusive of your life than the government already is. Now is not the time to change our health system, but it could use some improvement.

[InjOnly]

Here are some of the things listed in the first 500 pages of Obamas plan. Pass these along to her.
It probably won't help but at some point you have to realize not everyone on a sinking ship can be saved.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

[doucmpuppiespn]

You guys have great answers and all of you enlightened me to the fact that I can't save the world. That's just my personality and I will be more of an asset to my immediate family if I stay focused on "my own house". Thank you all!!!

[Lil Bear]

You guys have great answers and all of you enlightened me to the fact that I can't save the world. That's just my personality and I will be more of an asset to my immediate family if I stay focused on "my own house". Thank you all!!!

Lead by example. Maybe them seeing how you live and cope with things could spark an interest.