Wow...how did this fellow escape the Woke Virus????

[orangetom1999]

Wow...how did this fellow escape the Woke Virus????


Very very interesting speech.... The Ishmaelites will hate him..

Comedian praised for taking down 'wokeness' in viral speech: 'Beginning of the end' for 'victimhood ideology' (msn.com)


I have bookmarked this link and will be sending it on to people I know...





My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

[orangetom1999]

Climate Change is Ishmaelite herding and fear mongering.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

[Tugaloo]

OT,
Children today are educated or better said brainwashed by their educators.

Her grandson went to an expensive private school where he was taught the Second Amendment.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

He believed a "well regulated Militia" meant something similar to the Reserves or National Guard. To make it worse, the NG's website states "The official birth date of the Army National Guard as a reserve component of the Army is December 13, 1636." I have no doubt that is 100% correct. However, the so called well regulated Militia was a bunch of city people and frontier types. They owned their own firearms and wore their own clothes.
To give an idea of how it was back then. At King's Mountain, Redcoats wanted to surrender and yelled for Quarter. Very few of the Patriots knew what Quarter meant so they kept on shooting. Although, the word Quarter hasn't been used in centuries many people know what it means.

The Reserves were created in the early 1900s.
He asked about the old Trapdoor Springfield wall hangers commenting some criminal could steal them and kill innocent people. I answered there isn't any ammunition. Of course he answered he can buy it. I said if he does and shoots someone, he'll kill himself as today's 45-70 ammo would blow the rifle apart.

[orangetom1999]

Yeah...Tugaloo....

I learned by reading history that the Militia was ordinary people banding together for a common interest.

In the early days before the founding of this country there was literally no law in many areas..and people banded together for the common interest.....not a government promoted and financed operation as there was no government in these outlying areas.

People tend to forget that history today.

Outside of Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia here in Virginia...people fended for themselves and if you waited on the local government you would be dead before they arrived....
There were no Reserves or National Guard.

Today they would just file paperwork to justify more jobs after the events were over.



Oh...and I was in the National Guard here in Virginia...155mm Towed 'Artillery. I got out because i saw entirely too much drinking out in the field....while shooting artillery ...mostly at Fort PIcket.. I do not mix alcohol and gunpowder....period. It is one of my strict rules.

And I can do plenty of stupid stone cold sober...no need to add alcohol.

That is what drove me out of the Virginia National Guard back then....post Vietnam.

Too many people were in the Guard back then to keep from going to Vietnam. I had already done four years in the Air Force.

I did learn a little about the M60 machine gun...and that was that it looks good in the movies and news reels...but after about 20-30 minutes of carrying it around and ammo....you are ready to put it down. No thanks....that was an education.


Yes.....you have to be very careful about 45-70 caliber ammo and in what firearm you intend to use it .

Reading the history of certain calibers in my reloading books taught me that...not just for 45-70 but other calibers as well.
I did not know, until reading certain manuals on cartridge conversions, that there were so many varieties of .38 caliber cartridges going back into history. That too was a wake up call. Again you have to be very very careful with those olde revolvers like the olde break open owls head guns...and the fodder you put in them.


I am often want to say or state that so many of us today know so little history ....outside of movies and television....
So many of us are watchers and not thinkers....and or doers.
And I include myself in that batch and have the scars to prove it.


Orangetom
Not an Ishmaelite.

[Tugaloo]

A good example of revisionist history is what does AD mean? Many erroneously believe AD means After Death. AD is the abbreviation of the Latin. Actually AD stands for Anno Domini. Anno is Latin for "in the year," domini is Latin for "lord," so Anno Domini translates as "in the year of our Lord. Today, we have BCE and CE or before common era and common era. Another bit of revisionist history.


Today, Hollywood portrays the Wild West with the calvary armed with Winchesters. The Calvary was never issued Winchesters unless they bought the rifle and ammunition themselves.

Adding the top strap to revolvers allowed higher pressure smokeless powder ammo to be used.

[WeltZumerr12]

OT,
Children today are educated or better said brainwashed by their educators.

Her grandson went to an expensive private school where he was taught the Second Amendment.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

He believed a "well regulated Militia" meant something similar to the Reserves or National Guard. To make it worse, the NG's website states "The official birth date of the Army National Guard as a reserve component of the Army is December 13, 1636." I have no doubt that is 100% correct. However, the so called well regulated Militia was a bunch of city people and frontier types. They owned their own firearms and wore their own clothes.
To give an idea of how it was back then. At King's Mountain, Redcoats wanted to surrender and yelled for Quarter. Very few of the Patriots knew what Quarter meant so they kept on shooting. Although, the word Quarter hasn't been used in centuries many people know what https://eldfall-chronicles.com/ means.

The Reserves were created in the early 1900s.
He asked about the old Trapdoor Springfield wall hangers commenting some criminal could steal them and kill innocent people. I answered there isn't any ammunition. Of course he answered he can buy it. I said if he does and shoots someone, he'll kill himself as today's 45-70 ammo would blow the rifle apart.

https://jackbase.me

It is important that students receive a well-rounded education that includes a thorough understanding of the Second Amendment and its historical context. It sounds like your grandson's understanding of the "well regulated Militia" was not accurate and that the educator's teaching was not effective. It's important to educate people on the historical context and intent of the Second Amendment, including the fact that it was meant to protect the right of citizens to bear arms in the context of state-regulated militias, not as an individual right. It's also important to educate people on the dangers and risks associated with owning firearms, including the risk of accidents and misuse.

[Tugaloo]

It is important that students receive a well-rounded education that includes a thorough understanding of the Second Amendment and its historical context. It sounds like your grandson's understanding of the "well regulated Militia" was not accurate and that the educator's teaching was not effective. It's important to educate people on the historical context and intent of the Second Amendment, including the fact that it was meant to protect the right of citizens to bear arms in the context of state-regulated militias, not as an individual right. It's also important to educate people on the dangers and risks associated with owning firearms, including the risk of accidents and misuse.

First and foremost, welcome to the site and your post!

Where I disagree with you is although many who served in the military can be recalled until they are 45 y/o or 48 y/o depending on which Federal USC or Act of Congress is read. No scheduled training is required nor will they serve in an organized militia. If memory serves me correctly, they are called "volunteers" who get called up without volunteering. LOL

Also:

"Generally, the active reservist -- those who are in the Guard and Reserve in a drilling status -- get called first, then the IRR, then those who left active duty within the last five years, then those under age 60."

https://www.military.com/join-military/eligibility-requirements/can-you-really-be-recalled-active-duty-any-time.html

Also:

Even if you meet those obligations, you won’t be eligible for any promotions as a recalled member. Instead, you will be paid at your current rank or the rank at which you separated. Your retirement pay and any VA disability benefits will also stop for the duration of your revitalized active duty service.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/30/trumps-irr-recall-order-what-you-need-know.html

Basically, a veteran even a disabled veteran can be recalled up until the age of 60. IMO, "they" can change that any time they choose to suit the needs of the nation..

In part the 2nd Amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The militia vs. people has been over debated for a long time. I'm not in a militia, but I fall under the people term.
However, according to SCOTUS decisions, people means everyday people or unless they have a criminal record etc. And, SCOTUS agrees with me.
The counter move has been declare special gun free zones in the whole state. That only effects law abiding people and is ignored by criminals.

Although, I agree 100% with you that is not what is happening in the system. We have two grandsons, one is starting college and that is what he was taught in HS.
The other graduated as a recreational therapist and now he is a LEO. He is a strong proponent of the RKBA.

I'm retired ; however, I managed enough college interns to be aware of as a student one must go with the flow or be in deep do-do. According to the interns who were in the environment know more than I do about what goes on.

[orangetom1999]

Negative WeltZumerr12 .... negative.

It's important to educate people on the historical context and intent of the Second Amendment, including the fact that it was meant to protect the right of citizens to bear arms in the context of state-regulated militias, not as an individual right

I live in Virginia near Colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown... the very Jamestown of 1607 fame..... well before the founding of this country.

And so too was Colonial Williamsburg here well before the founding of this country.... under British Rule.

The people who lived in those early days were well away from the protection of the British Governors at the Colonial Capital... they were on their own.

Thinking people know this ... and those who could afford them were armed... Muskets... smooth bores.. shotguns... black powder guns.

People tended to band together under adversity and this became the Militia.... yes... often under the contorl of the governor...

However... their arms were never provided by the government.... we often lose sight of this simplicity.... with our modern education....

These people provided their own arms even during the American Revolution.


And by the way... WeltZumerr12 ... even closer to me than Colonial Willismsburg and Jamestown, Virginia is Yorktown, Virginia where the Revolutionary War ended.

The Government did not have the wherewithal to arm every person in the in the Revolutionary Army and many of them were even barefoot for much of the year.

Many people provided their own arms and this continued after the Constitution of the United States was written .... that it was a basic right of the people to be armed... even with Militia in mind.... because the government could not arm everyone.

And the benefits of the law were often few and far between in the villages and townships far away from Philadelphia, Pa..... and even Williamsburg, Virginia. People were on their own and they knew it.

Today..... now that we think we are so educated.and intellectual..... we forget the history..... and I believe this is not accidental.... but deliberate... by a plan. I believe it is important to someone that we do not know much history.... but mostly what is in movies and television.

What I call a television and or movie education.


I am well aware that the Clinton Administration tried to frame the 2nd Amendment as are you and I do not buy into it.... simply because i know the history .. backed up with the known history surrounding this area wherein I dwell.

The People are the Militia.... not the state...

The People.... are the Militia... the self armed people....... not the state.... people armed with the common every day arms..... not what the government approves and or decides.


Whenever government makes such decisions........ over and over ad infinitum..... the nation and people degenerate into a belief system called... "Absolute Power....... Divine right of Kings." And this becomes a devout and zealous religious belief system.

Remember

[orangetom1999]

Government should never decide what kind of cars we drive....that is up to the marketplace...not the government. Deciding what cars we drive overthrows every principle of free market economics...and or individual liberty in favor of herd mentality....Da Tovarich???

Government should never decide what kind of stoves we use...gas or electric...the marketplace should decide...agaiin free market economics...

And so too with common every day arms..the marketplace decides...not the government.

The marketplace is a free people making decisions for their own reasons...not the government.

And the Militia is the people ...not the government.




Remember something..Weltzumerr 12....over one hundred years before the founding of this country ...the English under Oliver Cromwell put and end to Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings" in a very bloody English Civil war....


Do you really think the founders here in this country did not know this history of the English Civil War and the abuses of Government/Royalty in power over the people....in the very fallen and corrupt Royalty based systems of governments in Europe....including the disarmament of the people?????

This was the very systems of totalitarian government the founders were trying to prevent here in America.......in particular with the first ten Amendments.

If you read them carefully ..they are all limits on the Government...not on the people.That is the key....limited government and understanding that intent.


Modern Public education ...financed by government tries to reverse this intent of the founders....in order to return to unlimited government.



.Weltzumerr 12....there are those of us here in America who can still think outside of movies and television and are able to realize that if we cannot be trusted with our arms.....we will not be trusted with our vote...

We will not be trusted with our own monies....over 600 dollars of expenditures....and this will eventually be lowered to 400 or 300 dollars in desperation....to conceal the inflation/depreciation.

We cannot be trusted with our opinions and views....in particularly telling them to someone else.

We will not be trusted with our own children....and or grandchildren. And must cede these to a clearly "Fallen" public education system....which will teach them official authorized ,government sanctioned racism/CRT.

We do not need a PHD to follow these trendlines....to unlimited government. Da Tovarich???


Be Warned these Ishmaelites,
Orangetom

[orangetom1999]

WeltZumerr12

It's also important to educate people on the dangers and risks associated with owning firearms, including the risk of accidents and misuse.

While I do not disagree with safety....in anything... and often attend safety briefings.....I am well aware that the 2nd Amendment says nothing about Safety.

Nor does it say anything about Hunting.


Hence I consider it very very dishonest and disingenuous of our government to try to frame the argument in those terms.


I also consider it demonic.


I caught this very rapidly when I saw our President taking this tack in his speech.


I continue to catch it....whenever or whomever does it.


The Second Amendment says Zero about these issues. This is a deflection...a distraction ...from the intent of the Amendment....and limited government.

A limited government means a free people.


Be Warned of how an Ishmaelite works and operates.


Orangetom
Not an Ishmaelite.

[Tugaloo]

The risk is owning firearms or having access to firearms without proper safety instructions, training or precautions.

When he was very young, my grandson was taught the safe use of firearms etc. If bolt action rifle was being cleaned with the bolt removed and a cleaning rod's brush or patch was sticking out of the muzzle. It can't fired, period.
If you walked in front of it? My 9 y/o grandson would say Mr. WeltZumerr12, you should never walk if front of the muzzle and very respectfully.

One of cardinal rules of firearms ownership or merely handling one at a store is verify if the firearm is unloaded. Alec Baldwin and armorer to be charged with involuntary manslaughter because neither verified if the firearm was unloaded. Because their irresponsibility cost a young woman her life, they should be held responsible.
Early on, I read some of the group where shooting live ammo in the desert; as they did not clear the weapon when they turned it, they contributed to accidently shooting.

OT,
Back when the Second was written people had common sense.

Criminals misuse firearms every day and politicians are more concerned with law abiding citizens than criminals. when I fish, often I will catch and release. It is obvious our government believes in the same thing.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/violent-career-criminal-out-on-parole-shot-and-killed-by-mother/

What would have happened to the woman and her children if she didn't have quick access to a firearm?
Why was this violent criminal released in the first place.

You forgot to mention target shooting and more. ;)

[orangetom1999]

Tugaloo...this......

You forgot to mention target shooting and more. ;)

To my knowledge ...the 2nd Amendment also says nothing about target shooting...


However...knowing thje history of men.....and the records of men....target shooting goes way back into history.....from spears..to bows and arrows...to axes...et al....even slingshots.

I would wager to say that this is a natural past time among men...to see who has the steadiest and or truest aim.....hand..skill set.et al.....

And yes...also going back ...way back into history ...men would have wagered on it.



Oh...and yes...before I forget...the initial A. D....or AD....Anno Domini....

Seems to me the word or expression Anno...is also the word we know today as Annual.....year or yearly ...

Yes..indeed...derived from the Latin word Anno....for year.


I love that kind of thing...how our words came about to us....today....etymonlogy.


And now we know.................the rest of the story!!!!


Orangetom
Not an Ishmaelite.

[Tugaloo]

The Second Amendment guarantees our inalienable Right to keep and bear arms. As long as we aren't criminals, it is our choice what we use them for. We also have the personal choice to own one or not to own one.

As you mentioned no matter what the weapon was target shooting or practice has always been important.

Anno Domini is also spelled as Anno Domine. It translates "in the year of the lord" or "Year of Our Lord." The first year after the birth of Christ.

Ah, etymology... One of the best examples of etymology was from a professor. His version was if we were archeologists in the 3000 excavating a 20th century subway. How would we translate graffiti "go crap in your hat"; literally of figuratively? LOL

[orangetom1999]

WeltZumerr12 and others...



USA Secret on Gun Laws: Uncovering the Reason You Never Knew! - YouTube


About 'Absolute power and Divine Right of kings" in the hands of men...in the hands of Government..,.


The pattern of which the World Economic Forum and other internationalists brag...and desire for the world is the Communist Chinese system as the model.

The problem is that the Communist Chinese Model...is in fact....."Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings."

The Communist Chinese Model is not Limited Government. Is the World Economic Forum and our own leadership explaining this to Americans??? The Communist Chinese Model is Unlimited Government.
Again no PHD needed here to understand this concept.




And "Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings" was put to rest in the Western World with the Execution of King Charles 1st on 30 January 1649 for treason.....and thus the end of the English Civil War.

Execution of Charles I - Wikipedia

We are never to know this history ..and what it means for us as Americans.....or that it was an Englishman who set this precedent for us.

And our Founding Fathers knew this history and what it means for us.....some 100 years before the founding of this nation.



And I believe this is the very reason that Americans need to be dumbed down about everything and anything...,..hooked like drugs on all kinds of distractions....Amusements to prevent thinking for ones self.

Americans must know all about ESPN and or the Kardashians or other such nonsense constantly fed to us...to prevent thinking.


Think......WeltZumerr12 .....think.....

Amuse......Amusement....

A= Without.....like Agnostic.....Without Wisdom.. ...Athiest....,A ....withiout theos...god.....without God.

the word A means without.


A muse....A without ....Muse....thinking....Amuse Amusement...


Something fed to us to prevent thinking.


Not difficult once you let go of ESPN and or the Kardashians.....or whatever nonsense they will feed us next to prevent thinking.

Remember ...a television and or movie education???


This is an Ishmaelite straight jacket designed to prevent thinking for ourselves...and for our own reasons...but instead....group think.


Be Warned of these Ishsmaelites.....and especially,....in leadership positions ...who would prey on our fears and insecurities in favor of more "Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings."


We are not supposed to think this far on our own without permission .....nor are we to teach other to think for themselves....or know any real history.


Translatoin.....Dumbed Down.....


Orangetom
Not an Ishmaaelite.

[orangetom1999]

Oh...Tugaloo...before I forget ...and have to shove off today...


i am in the midst of reading "The Winter War"

A Frozen Hell: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940: Trotter, William R.: 9781565122499: Amazon.com: Books


Very interesting and enlightening in places.

I am gathering that some of the stale habits of the Russian Army which cost them so dearly in the Winter War...are still with them today and evidencing themselves in the Ukraine.


Thanks for bringing me the title....and link.. Hope to finish sometime today.




Oh...and I agree here Tugaloo..about arms..

We also have the personal choice to own one or not to own one.

Agree..as a Free people......absolutely.!!!

Government does not determine that....we do as a Free People.

For our individual reasons...not group think....


Orangetom
Not an Ishmaelite.