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OK first of all let me state--- thus far, XC has not been deluged with thousands of threads beating this topic to death. Let's keep it that way. What I want to do here is ask for people to share any original, firsthand evidence (even circumstantial) that they have about these camps.
The purpose of this thread is not to re-hash the many rumors that exist on other sites, or to post links to alleged documents, lists, etc.
Personally, I have spent most of the past 14 years or so of my life in various capacities in the US Army MP Corps. Whether active duty or Guard, I have done a lot, seen a lot, met a lot of people, and done more than my fair share of alcohol-induced "unofficial" chat after hours.
In all of my travels, I have come across absolutely zero evidence that I can say without a doubt points to any of these camps being set up or planned.
However...I will say this. I ran into a few instances of things that can not be fully explained, while serving in Massachusetts. Since they may be related to the camp rumors, I will share them here. Perhaps they will get someone's mind working to put pieces of the puzzle together.
The most significant is back in 2005 when Katrina hit and many people were displaced. Camp Edwards was selected as a relocation center. A close friend of mine was an NCO in the MP company assigned to the base. Without getting into too much detail, he was alarmed at the level of security that was emplaced at the cantonment area where the people were housed. He said they were looked upon just about the same as prisoners, however MPs were discouraged from having any direct contact with them unless absolutely necessary; the Red Cross and FEMA workers generally were the only ones in contact with the refugees. The whole series of events was very strange and seemed like it could be a dress rehearsal for something else.
Other things that raised my eyebrows were observed at Fort Devens. I was one of the last MPs to work the gates there as a Federal base, and have since been back countless times for training. I know for a fact, from several firsthand experiences as well as stories from friends, that something is afoot in the area known as the Oxbow Wildlife Reserve, south of state route 2. I am not sure what it is, but I have witnessed unusual vehicle traffic there, and a few odd details that do not mesh with anything that should be going on there. I really don't feel comfortable saying much more about Oxbow. The Federal Medical Center (FMC Devens), while a secure facility, is not the kind of place whose layout makes it ideal to have all kinds of prisoners held there. I do not feel that the FMC has anything to do with any FEMA plans. I was there when it was built, I actually patrolled the construction site, I know the facility and the land around it, and do not believe anything sinister is going on there. The one remaining odd thing about Devens (and Camp Edwards, now that I think of it) is how many old WWII-era barracks are still standing years after they were supposed to be demolished, and only in certain areas. I can vouch for the fact that many, if not all, are still structurally sound, having been inside of them on many occasions. Though they may have rotting windowsills and windows are even falling out, the walls, stairways, and floors of most of the buildings remain solid. I reiterate that it is as if certain blocks of these buildings are the ones being preserved, and it would not be beyond the realm of possibility that those area would be easier to quickly fence off, and guard, compared to having random buildings all over the base. Before anyone mentions all of the residences on Devens that have not been demolished, those are now state property, and are used by local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies for training, which is why many are still standing.
The purpose of this thread is not to re-hash the many rumors that exist on other sites, or to post links to alleged documents, lists, etc.
Personally, I have spent most of the past 14 years or so of my life in various capacities in the US Army MP Corps. Whether active duty or Guard, I have done a lot, seen a lot, met a lot of people, and done more than my fair share of alcohol-induced "unofficial" chat after hours.
In all of my travels, I have come across absolutely zero evidence that I can say without a doubt points to any of these camps being set up or planned.
However...I will say this. I ran into a few instances of things that can not be fully explained, while serving in Massachusetts. Since they may be related to the camp rumors, I will share them here. Perhaps they will get someone's mind working to put pieces of the puzzle together.
The most significant is back in 2005 when Katrina hit and many people were displaced. Camp Edwards was selected as a relocation center. A close friend of mine was an NCO in the MP company assigned to the base. Without getting into too much detail, he was alarmed at the level of security that was emplaced at the cantonment area where the people were housed. He said they were looked upon just about the same as prisoners, however MPs were discouraged from having any direct contact with them unless absolutely necessary; the Red Cross and FEMA workers generally were the only ones in contact with the refugees. The whole series of events was very strange and seemed like it could be a dress rehearsal for something else.
Other things that raised my eyebrows were observed at Fort Devens. I was one of the last MPs to work the gates there as a Federal base, and have since been back countless times for training. I know for a fact, from several firsthand experiences as well as stories from friends, that something is afoot in the area known as the Oxbow Wildlife Reserve, south of state route 2. I am not sure what it is, but I have witnessed unusual vehicle traffic there, and a few odd details that do not mesh with anything that should be going on there. I really don't feel comfortable saying much more about Oxbow. The Federal Medical Center (FMC Devens), while a secure facility, is not the kind of place whose layout makes it ideal to have all kinds of prisoners held there. I do not feel that the FMC has anything to do with any FEMA plans. I was there when it was built, I actually patrolled the construction site, I know the facility and the land around it, and do not believe anything sinister is going on there. The one remaining odd thing about Devens (and Camp Edwards, now that I think of it) is how many old WWII-era barracks are still standing years after they were supposed to be demolished, and only in certain areas. I can vouch for the fact that many, if not all, are still structurally sound, having been inside of them on many occasions. Though they may have rotting windowsills and windows are even falling out, the walls, stairways, and floors of most of the buildings remain solid. I reiterate that it is as if certain blocks of these buildings are the ones being preserved, and it would not be beyond the realm of possibility that those area would be easier to quickly fence off, and guard, compared to having random buildings all over the base. Before anyone mentions all of the residences on Devens that have not been demolished, those are now state property, and are used by local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies for training, which is why many are still standing.
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