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  • Wooo Big time article in CNN - Apocalypse in 2012

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science...ies/index.html


    Apocalypse in 2012? Date spawns theories, film

    * Story Highlights
    * December 21, 2012, marks the end of a 5,126-year cycle on a Mayan calendar
    * Some think the date is ominous, others say it may signal the dawn of a new era
    * Theories are fabricated on the basis of very little evidence, Maya scholar says
    * "The whole year leading up to it is going to be just crazy," another scholar warns

    By A. Pawlowski
    CNN

    (CNN) -- Just as "Y2K" and its batch of predictions about the year 2000 have become a distant memory, here comes "Twenty-twelve."

    Fueled by a crop of books, Web sites with countdown clocks, and claims about ancient timekeepers, interest is growing in what some see as the dawn of a new era, and others as an expiration date for Earth: December 21, 2012.

    The date marks the end of a 5,126-year cycle on the Long Count calendar developed by the Maya, the ancient civilization known for its advanced understanding of astronomy and for the great cities it left behind in Mexico and Central America.

    (Some scholars believe the cycle ends a bit later -- on December 23, 2012.)

    Speculation in some circles about whether the Maya chose this particular time because they thought something ominous would happen has sparked a number of doomsday theories.

    The hype also has mainstream Maya scholars shaking their heads.

    "There's going to be a whole generation of people who, when they think of the Maya, think of 2012, and to me that's just criminal," said David Stuart, director of the Mesoamerica Center at the University of Texas at Austin.

    "There is no serious scholar who puts any stock in the idea that the Maya said anything meaningful about 2012." Find out more about the history and culture of the Maya »

    But take the fact that December 21, 2012, coincides with the winter solstice, add claims the Maya picked the time period because it also marks an alignment of the sun with the center of the Milky Way galaxy, and you have the makings of an online sensation.

    Type "2012" into an Internet search engine and you'll find survival guides, survival schools, predictions and "official stuff" to wear, including T-shirts with slogans such as "2012 The End" and "Doomsday 2012."

    Theories about what might happen range from solar storms triggering volcano eruptions to a polar reversal that will make the Earth spin in the opposite direction.

    If you think all of this would make a great sci-fi disaster movie, Hollywood is already one step ahead.

    "2012," a special-effects flick starring John Cusack and directed by Roland Emmerich, of "The Day After Tomorrow" fame, is scheduled to be released this fall. The trailer shows a monk running to a bell tower on a mountaintop to sound the alarm as a huge wall of water washes over what appear to be the peaks of the Himalayas.

    'Promoting a hoax'

    One barometer of the interest in 2012 may be the "Ask an Astrobiologist" section of NASA's Web site, where senior scientist David Morrison answers questions from the public. On a recent visit, more than half of the inquiries on the most popular list were related to 2012.

    "The purveyors of doom are promoting a hoax," Morrison wrote earlier this month in response to a question from a person who expressed fear about the date.

    A scholar who has studied the Maya for 35 years said there is nothing ominous about 2012, despite the hype surrounding claims to the contrary.

    "I think that the popular books... about what the Maya say is going to happen are really fabricated on the basis of very little evidence," said Anthony Aveni, a professor of astronomy, anthropology and Native American studies at Colgate University.

    Aveni and Stuart are both writing their own books explaining the Mayan calendar and 2012, but Stuart said he's pessimistic that people will be interested in the real story when so many other books are making sensational claims.

    Dozens of titles about 2012 have been published and more are scheduled to go on sale in the coming months. Current offerings include "Apocalypse 2012," in which author Lawrence Joseph outlines "terrible possibilities," such as the potential for natural disaster.

    But Joseph admits he doesn't think the world is going to end.

    "I do, however, believe that 2012 will prove to be... a very dramatic and probably transformative year," Joseph said.

    The author acknowledged he's worried his book's title might scare people, but said he wanted to alert the public about possible dangers ahead.

    He added that his publisher controls the book's title, though he had no issue with the final choice.

    "If it had been called 'Serious Threats 2012' or 'Profound Considerations for 2012,' it would have never gotten published," Joseph said.

    Growing interest

    Another author said the doom and gloom approach is a great misunderstanding of 2012.

    "The trendy doomsday people... should be treated for what they are: under-informed opportunists and alarmists who will move onto other things in 2013," said John Major Jenkins, whose books include "Galactic Alignment" and who describes himself as a self-taught independent Maya scholar.

    Jenkins said that cycle endings were all about transformation and renewal -- not catastrophe -- for the Maya. He also makes the case that the period they chose coincides with an alignment of the December solstice sun with the center of the Milky Way, as viewed from Earth.

    "Two thousand years ago the Maya believed that the world would be going through a great transformation when this alignment happened," Jenkins said.

    But Aveni said there is no evidence that the Maya cared about this concept of the Milky Way, adding that the galactic center was not defined until the 1950s.

    "What you have here is a modern age influence [and] modern concepts trying to garb the ancient Maya in modern clothing, and it just doesn't wash for me," Aveni said.

    Meanwhile, he and other scholars are bracing for growing interest as the date approaches.

    "The whole year leading up to it is going to be just crazy, I'm sorry to say," Stuart said.

    "I just think it's sad, it really just frustrates me. People are really misunderstanding this really cool culture by focusing on this 2012 thing. It means more about us than it does about the Maya."

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  • #2
    The best trip I ever had

    Great post. I have visited the Shrine pictured in the artice. The door of the sever dolls. It was a giant sun dial that was about a quarter of a mile long. When the sun came threw the door and hit a precise spot on the stone at the other end of that quarter mile strip it was exactly one year that had passed. The Mayan people definitly had their s*%t together. I myself have not fallen for the big end of time 2012 therory but it could cause problems anyway just because so many other people do. People rushing the food, fuel, supplies etc. Kind of like the Y2K issue, but could be larger scale. Should be really interesting as the date gets closer.

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    • #3
      Ahhhhhhhhhhhh......We are all gonna DIE!!!!!!!
      ~Lyon~

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      • #4
        Just like Y2K it will come and pass and in another decade there will be another 'crisis'...

        Of course preparing ain't a bad idea no matter if it is y2k or doomsday;)
        73

        later,
        ZA

        Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
        beat you to death with it because it is empty.

        The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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        • #5
          FACT: End of December 2012, Planet X, aka Niribru, our 12th planet discovered in 1983, will complete its 3600 year orbit around Earth. FACT: On December 12, 2012 there will be 3 eclipse, when the planets and sun line up with the center of the Milky Way. Happens every 26,000 years. These two facts have been documented by NASA and scientists from around the globe. NASA removed all info from their website in the mid '90's when the realized X was getting closer. NASA has since built a brand new infered telescope on Antartica. X, will be arriving from the South. Will anything happen to Earth? No one knows for sure, but why take the chance?
          "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches" Franklin

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          • #6
            A few pics of the temple. Cool skull in rock structure. Nothing like a little human sacrifice. These people know how to party!
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            • #7
              actually, the thought of 2012 is what got me into preparing. not that all any of my preps would do me any good, if what 'they' say, Planet X, polar tilt, cosmic line-up, whatever will cause massive global upheaval and my neck of the woods will be drowned under tsunamis anyway.


              but then my favorite psychic Sylvia Browne says stuff like that won't happen until 2025, so who to believe?

              guess we'll figure it out in a few years. :D


              edited to add, I'd love to see the mayan temples, before the world ends.
              "Be Excellent to Each Other"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Brosia View Post
                actually, the thought of 2012 is what got me into preparing. not that all any of my preps would do me any good, if what 'they' say, Planet X, polar tilt, cosmic line-up, whatever will cause massive global upheaval and my neck of the woods will be drowned under tsunamis anyway.


                but then my favorite psychic Sylvia Browne says stuff like that won't happen until 2025, so who to believe?

                guess we'll figure it out in a few years. :D


                edited to add, I'd love to see the mayan temples, before the world ends.

                I am going to be honest. I do not really put ANY credence in astrology. Especially in a stone age culture who worshiped a snake God, sacrificed children and played soccer with human heads. I would say that the Mayan calender makers figured they made a calender long enough to cover their lifetimes, stopped and figured the next generations could continue making it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
                  I am going to be honest. I do not really put ANY credence in astrology. Especially in a stone age culture who worshiped a snake God, sacrificed children and played soccer with human heads. I would say that the Mayan calender makers figured they made a calender long enough to cover their lifetimes, stopped and figured the next generations could continue making it.
                  I agree with Rusty...How can you trust anyone who plays soccer?
                  ~Lyon~

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
                    I am going to be honest. I do not really put ANY credence in astrology. Especially in a stone age culture who worshiped a snake God, sacrificed children and played soccer with human heads. I would say that the Mayan calender makers figured they made a calender long enough to cover their lifetimes, stopped and figured the next generations could continue making it.

                    do you have children, Rusty? 'Cause sometimes you just get the urge to sacrifice them. Believe me, I know. I have a teenage girl. And soccer with human heads has got to be more fun than with your standard soccer ball. I don't like snakes, so I wouldn't worship a snake god, but I do like Cheese Doodles....
                    "Be Excellent to Each Other"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brosia View Post
                      do you have children, Rusty? 'Cause sometimes you just get the urge to sacrifice them. Believe me, I know. I have a teenage girl. And soccer with human heads has got to be more fun than with your standard soccer ball. I don't like snakes, so I wouldn't worship a snake god, but I do like Cheese Doodles....
                      Cheese Doodles Rock!
                      ~Lyon~

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brosia View Post
                        do you have children, Rusty? 'Cause sometimes you just get the urge to sacrifice them. Believe me, I know. I have a teenage girl. And soccer with human heads has got to be more fun than with your standard soccer ball. I don't like snakes, so I wouldn't worship a snake god, but I do like Cheese Doodles....
                        LMFAO......

                        Planet X revolving around the earth?

                        Gimme a break.....astrology's for the nutbags camped outside area 51.....
                        "I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson

                        "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -Frederic Bastiat

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                        • #13
                          We will be stocked up on tin foil awaiting the arrival of those from Planet X!!............I was waiting for someone to bring the 2012 thang up,it's been on discovery or something.I will stick my head between my legs and kiss my butt good-bye ..if Scotty doesn't beam me up!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sd allen View Post
                            We will be stocked up on tin foil awaiting the arrival of those from Planet X!!............I was waiting for someone to bring the 2012 thang up,it's been on discovery or something.I will stick my head between my legs and kiss my butt good-bye ..if Scotty doesn't beam me up!!

                            oh, will there be "people" on Planet X? I thought it was just a big rock going to crash into us.

                            I've had a heck of a day, making sock puppets with the Cub Scouts. I think I'm going to finish mine up tonight, and make a tinfoil hat for it!
                            Some of the kids got to talking about 2012 (I don't know how it started) where one told another that we are all going to die in 2012, and then we had tears.

                            Then I come home to find that my daughter must worship the snake god, because she pierced her face with what are called "snake bites"

                            Somedays I wish someone would beam me up or just sacrifice me and use my head for a soccer ball. :eek:
                            "Be Excellent to Each Other"

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                            • #15
                              I don't know if they will be ''people''!!..lol..

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