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  • Brosia
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    Not even fancy government departments... have any of you used Google Maps or similar? Punch in an address, and you can take a tour of someone's surrounding area.

    The google surveillance truck must have come by me early winter, you see my car in the driveway (someone with a good digital enhancer could easily see my license plate number). Take a little trip down the road, you can get a good idea of the size and all the features in my yard.

    Obviously, I'm not posting my address for you to check out my house, but punch in your own, see if they've been in your neck of the woods yet.

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  • Big_Saw
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    Just another bureaucratic cash toilet.....

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  • methusaleh
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    I have firsthand experience with one Fusion Center, and the activities that go on there are nothing I was worried about. It is a Monday-Friday, 9-5, small office with only a handful of personnel assigned. 95% of what goes on there is coordination between Army National Guard helos (RAID program), state police, DEA, USBP, and ICE, in regard to aerial location of marijuana patches and aerial surveillance of suspected smuggling routes. Otherwise they may work with fixed-wing Customs or USBP aircraft to coordinate activities among agencies working on the ground for certain incidents.

    I realize that is only one Fusion Center, but if that makes anyone feel any better, then I am glad to do my part.

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  • Rednekdaddy
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    I hit the link and this is all that I could find for South Carolina

    South Carolina Fusion Center
    (Component of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division)
    PO Box 21398
    Columbia, SC 29210
    (803) 896-7008

    Project Seahawk
    (800)292-4385

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  • Rustyshakelford
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    Originally posted by Rednekdaddy View Post
    This scares the life out of me!!

    Yeah. If you check out the link, you can find out where your friendly neighborhood Ghestapo agents have their nearest listening post/re-education camp.

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  • Rednekdaddy
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    This scares the life out of me!!

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  • Rustyshakelford
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    Originally posted by Oddball View Post
    The spying thing gives me the willies. I didn't like the sound of it right after 9/11 and I like it even less, now. Sure, coordinating emergency response frequencies and the like is sensible and should have been done as the technology grew. But spying? The sad thing is that the masses bought it hook, line and sinker. I don't think many would give it a second thought today even with the facts in their faces. On one hand, their response, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, why would you mind?" leads me to believe that most aren't doing anything wrong. On the other, the fact remains that they aren't the "most" that concern me. Sadly, it's the government. Good post, Rusty.

    This is the reason why I am so opposed to things done with good intentions. Now, most folks here would think I am a decent chap. And most folks would let me set up a benign little feifdom that had absolute control. And I would not spy on good folks, only bad people. But someday I would die or go away. The system would be in place and maybe the next person could be, oh lets say, Hillary Clinton. Now, do you think she would use the system I set up to get rid of enemies of Rustyville, or would she use the system to enslave folks?

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  • Oddball
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    The spying thing gives me the willies. I didn't like the sound of it right after 9/11 and I like it even less, now. Sure, coordinating emergency response frequencies and the like is sensible and should have been done as the technology grew. But spying? The sad thing is that the masses bought it hook, line and sinker. I don't think many would give it a second thought today even with the facts in their faces. On one hand, their response, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, why would you mind?" leads me to believe that most aren't doing anything wrong. On the other, the fact remains that they aren't the "most" that concern me. Sadly, it's the government. Good post, Rusty.

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  • Rustyshakelford
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    Feeling safe yet? This has always been a concern of mine. Bush set this up to "fight terrorism". He is not in power any more. Now the wheels are in motion, but we have a new driver. I do not have a warm fuzzy feeling.

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  • Rustyshakelford
    started a topic Guess who is spying on you

    Guess who is spying on you

    The government out of friggin control!!!!!!!!
    Someone else is spying on YOU. And it isn't the NSA. Fusion Centers.

    by JaciCee

    Thu Jan 22, 2009 at 07:17:41 AM PST

    Ever hear of a Fusion Center?
    They are run by the Department of Homeland Security and are locally based across the country.
    A fusion center is an effective and efficient mechanism to exchange information and intelligence, maximize resources, streamline operations, and improve the ability to fight crime and terrorism by merging data from a variety of sources.
    At first blush this sounds good. After 9/11 discussions were had about how to streamline communication between local and federal law enforcement agencies.


    From the Department of Homeland Security website:
    Many states and larger cities have created state and local fusion centers to share information and intelligence within their jurisdictions as well as with the federal government. The Department, through the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, provides personnel with operational and intelligence skills to the fusion centers. This support is tailored to the unique needs of the locality and serves to:
    help the classified and unclassified information flow,
    provide expertise,
    coordinate with local law enforcement and other agencies, and
    provide local awareness and access.

    But, it is being alleged that something has gone wrong along the way. Fusion centers have now come under the scrutinizing eye of the ACLU, and for good reasons.
    Who is spying in your neighborhood?
    These centers have been placed in our neighborhoods. Our local fusion center is located on Bataan Boulevard in Santa Fe, New Mexico. You can find the fusion center nearest you by clicking on this interactive map. The ACLU has also set up a site that tracks camera surveillance.Video surveillance is nothing new, but:
    Video surveillance is not a new phenomenon, but the amount of attention that the federal government has been paying is. In the past five years, the Department of Homeland Security has awarded $300 million in grants to state and local governments, all in the name of public video surveillance.
    From the same article:
    Meanwhile, a timely University of California study has found that San Francisco's $700,000 'Crime Camera' program has had no impact on violent crime since its 2005 installation. The study also states that robberies dropped significantly within each camera's radius, but notes that this finding is inconclusive.
    These two paragraphs beg some further discussion. Is the surveillance arm of the Department of Homeland Security working in conjunction with the fusion center in this California neighborhood? If surveillance cameras aren't reducing crime significantly, what other purposes are they serving?
    From California again:
    The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ACLU of California have filed a federal lawsuit against the FBI and local authorities over the seizure and search of two organizations' computers, they jointly announced Wednesday.
    ...
    On August 27, 2008, the University of California Police, the Alameda County Sheriff's Department and the FBI took part in a raid of the Berkeley offices of two politically active groups, Long Haul Infoshop and East Bay Prisoner Support Group (EBPS), seizing every computer in the building, even those behind locked doors, which were opened by force. The raid was conducted despite no allegations of wrongdoing on the part of either organization or any of their members, and the complaint questions the legality of the warrant obtained by authorities.
    Why search and seize at the Long Haul Infoshop or the East Bay Prisoner Support Group? Was the FBI working in conjunction with the local fusion center? More questions.
    The neighborhood spying isn't limited to California.
    From the Washington Post:
    Organizational meetings, public forums, prison vigils, rallies outside the State House in Annapolis and e-mail group lists were infiltrated by police posing as peace activists and death penalty opponents, the records show. The surveillance continued even though the logs contained no reports of illegal activity and consistently indicated that the activists were not planning violent protests.
    ...
    The records show that undercover agents collectively spent 288 hours on surveillance activities over 14 months from March 2005 until May 2006.

    The fusion center in New Mexico is known as a "cut and paste" shop. Analysts peruse media, in all forms (print and electronic), clipping information that they feel is "important" or "questionable." It is also alleged that they peruse the internet. It wouldn't surprise me if they were reading this diary, now.
    Their peering eyes are looking into the private sector:
    A new institution is emerging in American life: Fusion Centers. These state, local and regional institutions were originally created to improve the sharing of anti-terrorism intelligence among different state, local and federal law enforcement agencies. Though they developed independently and remain quite different from one another, for many the scope of their mission has quickly expanded - with the support and encouragement of the federal government - to cover "all crimes and all hazards." The types of information they seek for analysis has also broadened over time to include not just criminal intelligence, but public and private sector data, and participation in these centers has grown to include not just law enforcement, but other government entities, the military and even select members of the private sector.
    Legislation has been drafted, and will be presented to the New Mexico State Legislature, addressing concerns over the fusion center in Santa Fe.
    A draft of the ACLU legislation, sponsored by Rep. Antonio "Mo" Maestas, D-Albuquerque, would prohibit a law enforcement agency from collecting, maintaining and sharing "with any other law enforcement agency, information about the political, religious or social associations, views or activities of a person unless" they are suspected of committing a crime.
    That is the kicker...they aren't watching American citizens who are suspected of committing crimes. They are watching whoever they want to.
    A quick summary:
    But in a democracy, the collection and sharing of intelligence information - especially information about American citizens and other residents - need to be carried out with the utmost care. That is because more and more, the amount of information available on each one of us is enough to assemble a very detailed portrait of our lives. And because security agencies are moving toward using such portraits to profile how "suspicious" we look.
    American citizens aren't being spied on just by the NSA. They are being spied on by the fusion center office around the corner.

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