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    I dont know whether to be afraid or furious about this. Right now I'm pretty livid. This is a bit long, so bear with me.

    I have had bronchitis for a couple days, and because I'm getting ready to move, I asked a friend of mine to come help me move some furniture around. I fixed a nice dinner, chicken cordon bleu, and we were going to watch a movie after. I usually watch them on my computer. When we sat down I decided to show him some plans for the cabin I want to build. We looked at a few plans on the computer, and I noticed the xcolony screen still up from when I was reading posts earlier in the afternoon. I mentioned the site to him, just that we were preparers and sustenance types, didnt really mention the survival stuff. He's ex military, so I knew he'd understand a lot of the concerns we have for survival. He's the type to get very emotional when discussing anything military, as apparently he has some pretty bad memories and scars from his duties.

    ~Let me stop here and express a resounding THANK YOU to all our military personnel, vets, and contracted civilians. We owe you a debt of gratitude and thanks that we can never repay. I think about and pray for you daily. (the fact that he's ex-military has nothing to do with why I'm so upset)

    Anyway, I started talking about my preparations and the year-long plan on food preparations, buying X amount per week, etc. He said, 'what people dont realize is they could get a truckload of MRE's that will last for years and years, why bother with stuff that needs to be rotated?' I said, 'because people want real food, stuff that they like and will want to eat'. He then proceed to explain to me that his provisional plan pretty much included taking what he needed from his neighbors by force, if TSHTF. I said, 'youre exactly the kind of person that this group, who happens to be probably at least 50% military or police, will fight against. And should ANYBODY try to take from me what belongs to me, not only will they find themselves very much dead, but nobody will find the body for a long long while'. He then tried to explain by saying, 'do you think that the military carries everything with them? First thing they do is secure an area and take provisions that they need'. He went on to say that ex-military will probably be the only ones to survive anyway.

    I was completely floored that a man who'd spent 11+ years in the military, who knows that bad times are coming and believes things will get very much worse in the near future, would stand there and tell me that he's quite prepared to harm his neighbor and take whatever that neighbor had provisioned for his family, with no afterthough or remorse. He has no plans to provide for himself beforehand in any way. He muttered somethign about, 'youre either with me or against me'. He's alone, no kids, just a little mutt, but he's going to steal from a neighbor who has kids and put in the effort and money to save for his family.

    I know there are people like that, but I just wasnt prepared for him to readily admit it so blatantly.

    Lo~
    Classic Southern defense: "But your Honor, he just NEEDED killin!

  • #2
    Well at least you know this now:eek:

    First of all I am ex-military but I have no plans of taking 'what I need' from others. So IMHO these folks (that plan on stealing) are the lazy kind:(

    WTSHTF sure a few of them may survive and become a threat, but most will snuff each other out... just don't wanna be in the town that that happens in :eek:

    Two things worth remembering... Most Preppers have weapons, food and provisions most gun nuts have guns and a couple of boxes of ammo... YOU CAN'T EAT AMMO!!!

    And finally... Live by the gun, die by the gun ;) Nuff said:cool:
    73

    later,
    ZA

    Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
    beat you to death with it because it is empty.

    The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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    • #3
      It's really none of my business but you did post it....
      That being said, If I were you, I would seriously considered my friendship
      with him.
      One, he was either reverting to his military training, and just talking "BIG",
      or he really meant every word he said and he would honestly attempt to take by force from anyone that had what he needed,... including you!

      God's Peace
      Stay safe.
      TLM

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TLM View Post
        It's really none of my business but you did post it....
        That being said, If I were you, I would seriously considered my friendship
        with him.
        One, he was either reverting to his military training, and just talking "BIG",
        or he really meant every word he said and he would honestly attempt to take by force from anyone that had what he needed,... including you!

        God's Peace
        Stay safe.
        TLM
        A lot of guys talk BS when around a pretty woman. I would not put much stock in his comments.

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        • #5
          Loshali,

          You are not alone. I have encountered on another Survivalist Forum a person in my own hometown who advocates looting and claimed he had a posse of 30 ready to start looting at a moment's notice in a SHTF situation. Others on the Forum said, in so many words, "Well, if it's alright for you to loot, then it's alright for us to shoot looters."

          On another self-sufficiency Forum, I encountered this jerk who says that individual rights are nothing but "expressions of wishes or desires," instead of objectively real freedoms to act required by nature for man's survival as a rational being. He also proclaimed himself an Anarchist who thinks that all courts should be private.

          I said to him: "Well, if rights are merely 'expressions of wishes or desires,' then, since all wishes and desires are equally valid, what makes my desire to live and be free any better than a tyrant's desire to murder and enslave me?

          And if all wishes and desires are equally valid, why should we respect your wish and desire for private courts?

          And if there is no such objective thing as individual rights for courts to protect and preserve, then what would make a private court any different than an Auto-De-Fe from The Inquisition, or a Nazi Court, or a Communist Court, or a Tony Soprano-led court or an old fashioned lynch mob?"

          The Anarcho-Totalitarian jerk couldn't give a straight answer to any of the questions I gave him, so I stopped engaging him before his craziness started rubbing off on me.

          And, of course, on other Forums, I have encountered Quasi-Communists, Neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Krud, Islamofascists, Fundamentalist/Reconstructionist Christian Theocrats, Male-Hating Radical Feminists, and "9/10ths-of-Humanity-Must-Die-to-Save-the-Planet" Eco-Freaks. *Phew!* Where's the throw-up smiley when you really need it? I'll just have to stick with the mad one.

          :mad:

          Suffice it to say, there are whole bevies of human-like beings out there who would take everything each of us has, enslave us all, control every aspect of our individual lives, and even murder us. The Survivalist has to simply acknowledge this sad, hard reality and prepare accordingly. That means supplying yourself, arming yourself, learning for yourself every day, and exercising caution in where you go, what you do, who is around you, and what they are in relation to your life and freedom.
          Last edited by TheUnboundOne; 01-25-2009, 03:46 AM. Reason: Spelling and grammar
          "Apocalypse is by no means inevitable." --Jim Rice.

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          • #6
            S.

            Aren't you glad you know folks like that that are willing to discuss their "plans"? Sure makes it easier to make mine. Hurry on back to the hills of NC where we can all take care of each other if need be. At least be amongst like minded folks.

            (You can't make cob out of beach sand anyway.;))
            JUST CURIOUS? PRUNES ARE DEHYDRATED PLUMS. SO WHERE DOES PRUNE JUICE COME FROM?

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            • #7
              It makes me sick to hear former military talk that kind of talk. I'm prior service as well, but stealing or looting is the last thing on my mind. Improvising, securing, protecting is what I think is best. Too bad he's running his mouth like that. I wouldn't want him at my house.

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              • #8
                He definitely wont be back. I think he understood my stance pretty well. What infuriates me even more is he smirked when I said I'd fight for what is mine and my family, as if there's no way a single woman could hold her own against him or his "training". Sometimes its a good thing to be taken for granted. He'll be less prepared for what he will really find here.

                Lo~
                Classic Southern defense: "But your Honor, he just NEEDED killin!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by David M. View Post
                  It makes me sick to hear former military talk that kind of talk. I'm prior service as well, but stealing or looting is the last thing on my mind. Improvising, securing, protecting is what I think is best. Too bad he's running his mouth like that. I wouldn't want him at my house.

                  This is the reason I am very leary of who I allow in my home.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Loshali View Post
                    He definitely wont be back. I think he understood my stance pretty well. What infuriates me even more is he smirked when I said I'd fight for what is mine and my family, as if there's no way a single woman could hold her own against him or his "training". Sometimes its a good thing to be taken for granted. He'll be less prepared for what he will really find here.

                    Lo~
                    Yep!! You did good.

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                    • #11
                      I call those type of folks, SHEEPLE WITH GUNS:p
                      73

                      later,
                      ZA

                      Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to
                      beat you to death with it because it is empty.

                      The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

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                      • #12
                        What an A**hat!!!
                        Even with all his "mad skillz", kicking in doors gets to be real hard work, and to make matters worse, he will probably find nothing but starving people behind those doors.
                        CTHULHU/Dagon 2012

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Loshali View Post
                          He definitely wont be back. I think he understood my stance pretty well. What infuriates me even more is he smirked when I said I'd fight for what is mine and my family, as if there's no way a single woman could hold her own against him or his "training". Sometimes its a good thing to be taken for granted. He'll be less prepared for what he will really find here.

                          Lo~
                          Good for you S.
                          From what you described, it is a no brainer.

                          When do you hope to start construction? I'm getting excited! How much you gonna charge to teach us? :D
                          JUST CURIOUS? PRUNES ARE DEHYDRATED PLUMS. SO WHERE DOES PRUNE JUICE COME FROM?

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                          • #14
                            This guy reminds me of a young man who had been in every major conflict beginning with Grenada, then Somalia, Gulf War 1, etc. He claimed to have shrapnel, bullet wounds, trauma and everything else. He was younger than I, and the straw that broke the camels back was the day he told me he'd been at Ft Bragg, watching over the Base because the CO was on leave! He could tell a great story though, I'll give him that. Doing the math, he must have been about 8yrs old when he landed in Grenada.....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OneBadPig View Post
                              What an A**hat!!!
                              Even with all his "mad skillz", kicking in doors gets to be real hard work, and to make matters worse, he will probably find nothing but starving people behind those doors.
                              If he is willing to do it should SHTF, he is probably doing it now. Stealing that is.

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